[quote=Madaglan]I think that interpretation works a little better. But I’m still confused about how that would fit in with the preceding passage, which speaks of the woman: “A great sign appeared in the sky, a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars.” (Rev. 12:1) I usually associate this image with Mary as Queen of Heaven. In fact, my rosary pamphlet has under the Fifth Glorious Mystery (The Coronation) the verse Rev 12:1 to describe the event. The “twelve stars” in Rev 12:1 even further associate the woman with Israel. If the woman in Revelations is just Israel, then what faith can we put in the Coronation of Mary?
(Sorry, I typed all that as everyone else was answering my last post)
The 12 stars are probably an echo of Genesis 37.9:
Gen 37:6 And he said unto them, Hear, I pray you, this dream which I have dreamed:
Gen 37:7 For, behold, we [were] binding sheaves in the field, and, lo, my sheaf arose, and also stood upright; and, behold, your sheaves stood round about, and made obeisance to my sheaf.
Gen 37:8 And his brethren said to him, Shalt thou indeed reign over us? or shalt thou indeed have dominion over us? And they hated him yet the more for his dreams, and for his words.
Gen 37:9 And he dreamed yet another dream, and told it his brethren, and said, Behold, I have dreamed a dream more; and, behold, the sun and the moon and the eleven stars made obeisance to me.
Gen 37:10 And he told [it] to his father, and to his brethren: and his father rebuked him, and said unto him, What [is] this dream that thou hast dreamed? Shall I and thy mother and thy brethren indeed come to bow down ourselves to thee to the earth?
Gen 37:11 And his brethren envied him; but his father observed the saying. [compare Luke 2.51] -
Song of Songs 6:10 Who [is] she [that] looketh forth as the morning, fair as the moon, clear as the sun, [and] terrible as [an army] with banners? (Anyone in the Legion of Mary will be familiar with this :D)
Mary may be hinted at - it’s interesting that both the woman in John 19 and that in Rev. 12 are unnamed - a hint at association, perhaps ? But I don’t think there is more than a hint - after all, Mary was not given wings, as the woman in Rev. 12 is. Neither was Israel, true; but, the OT writers would have been familiar with Canaanite messenger-gods, who were winged; I’m guessing that they are the ultimate literary source of the wings of the woman. My guess is that the book was written during the siege of Jerusalem, and that the wings are those of Roman legionary eagles. Images of the godesses Fortuna, Tyche, and similar divinities were also winged.
The flight of the woman may be the flight of the Jerusalem Church from Jerusalem to Pella, as mentioned in Eusebius. Which would put the book no later than 70 AD; and would explain the references to the Temple being “trodden underfoot” and “measured” - which are both OT echoes.
The whole book is made up of the OT - fairly studded with quotations and allusions; this chapter not least. So the OT texts will often give us a clue to the meaning of the NT text.
I’ve heard only very recently that Mary’s coronation is a doctrine - I’m not convinced that it can be; after all, how would the Church know of it ? ##