Revelation 12...And Mary, the mother of all Christians


#1

(Note: Text capitolized are my words…
not my yelling at anybody…
time constraints would’nt allow me
to efficiently do the quoting thing right now)

Revelation 12
1 And a great sign was seen in heaven: a woman arrayed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars;

MARY, WRAPPED IN THE LIGHT WHICH IS HER SON (AS JESUS SAID HE IS “THE LIGHT”), STOMPING OUT DARKNESS (REPRESENTED BY THE MOON, REFERENCED IN GENESIS 3 AS THE WOMAN). THE CROWN REFLECTS THE APOSTLES WHO WILL LATER BE MENTIONED IN REV 12 AS THOSE WHO GAVE UP THIER LIVES FOR CHRIST.

2 and she was with child; and she crieth out, travailing in birth, and in pain to be delivered.

3 And there was seen another sign in heaven: and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his heads seven diadems.

SATAN.

4 And his tail draweth the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon standeth before the woman that is about to be delivered, that when she is delivered he may devour her child.

SATAN’S ANGELS THAT WERE CAST OUT OF HEAVEN.

SATAN WAITING TO PERSECUTE MARY WHEN SHE GAVE BIRTH TO JESUS.

5 And she was delivered of a son, a man child, who is to rule all the nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and unto his throne.

CONFIRMATION THAT THE CHILD IS JESUS CHRIST, THUS THE WOMAN HAS TO BE MARY.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that there they may nourish her a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

MARY’S FLIGHT TO EGYPT. HISTORICALLY SPEAKING, HEROD DIED ABOUT 4 YEARS AFTER JESUS CHRIST WAS BORN (1,260 DAYS ROUGHLY).

10 And I heard a great voice in heaven, saying, Now is come the salvation, and the power, and the kingdom of our God, and the authority of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, who accuseth them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony; and they loved not their life even unto death.

THIS IS TALKING ABOUT THE 12 APOSTLES WHO WERE MARTYRED AND WHO GAVE THEIR LIVES FOR HIM (JOHN, ONE OF THEM THE WRITER OF THIS BOOK).

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast down to the earth, he persecuted the woman that brought forth the man child.

HERE, SATAN GOES AFTER MARY.

14 And there were given to the woman the two wings of the great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness unto her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

MARY’S ASSUMPTION.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the woman water as a river, that he might cause her to be carried away by the stream.

WATER REPRESENTS SPIRITS (SATAN ATTACKS MARY VERBALLY, CASTING UNTRUTHS ABOUT HER) HOPING TO MISLEAD CHRISTIANS FROM FOLLOWING HER EXAMPLE AS THE PRIME (FIRST) CHRISTIAN.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

THE EARTH REPRESENTS MAN (AS MAN IS MADE OF SOIL) AN THEIR DEFENSE OF MARY AGAINST SATAN.

17 And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman,
and went away to make war with the rest of her seed,
that keep the commandments of God,
and hold the testimony of Jesus:

HERE, SATAN GOES AFTER MARY’S OFFSPRING (BELIEVERS…BECAUSE IF ONE BELIEVES IN CHRIST AND IS BORN AGAIN, THEY ARE UNITED INTO THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THAT BODY LITERALLY CAME FROM MARY’S WOMB…THEREFORE, OUR ETERNAL LIVES COME FROM HER WOMB…MARY IS OUR MOTHER).


#2

This is all good, as one layer, although spiritual historicism provides greater depth, where the woman will be seen as the Church, after the ascension. In this vein, the collective scenes of the dragon are simply the summary of the entirety of salvation history, from the fall to the end of the world. but with primary focus on the age of the Church.


#3

here’s a brief rundown: there are three defeats of the dragon:

casting to earth
chaining in abyss
thrown into eternal fire

these are then the three great lights of Church history that mimmick the three lights of the saint’s way: the victory over purgation (the illuminative way), the victory over the dark night (the unitive way) and finally, heaven (the victory over martyrdom.)

the three major defeats of the dragon are then the image of these fulfilled in Church history:

IOW, here is the scenario: the first war in heaven is the purgative phase, the dragon fights to prevent the world’s conversion. But the martyrs are victorious and the dragon is cast out (Constantine, “and they loved not their lives unto death”), Note also the similarity of language in this victory speech and Daniel 2, which echos the overthrowing of Pagan Rome by the Church.

the temporary rest of the woman is Catholic Christendom.

The dragon’s flood then begins the settting of the sun toward the dark night of the soul (Protestantism, Enlightenment), which culminates with the beast, the minor apostasy.

The sixth vial symbolizes the fruits of the minor apostasy, the chastisement.

The dragon’s chaining in the abyss is the age of peace, that succeeds the minor chastisement.

the final release of Gog and Magog is the Great apostasy and tribulation, which fulfills Revelation 13-16 again (like the minor apostasy and trib)

The final casting of the dragon into fire symbolizes the ultimate defeat of evil, the Second Coming, General Resurrection, and New Creation.

It is a different twist, anyway. :wink:


#4

DISCLAIMER: The views and opinions expressed in these forums do not necessarily reflect those of Catholic Answers. For official apologetics resources please visit www.catholic.com.