[quote="Martin15, post:17, topic:295253"]
In terms of music in mass, I think music should be included in every mass if possible, with the caveat that I will expand on below that any music used should be appropriate. How many references do we find in scripture (particularly the psalms) to singing praise to God and playing instruments to praise God?
I'm certainly not against hymns in mass (as opposed to just chant, although I do love chant :)), and I even quite like the guitars as an accompaniment, but I think that all music should be appropriate to the mass in question, and to the stage of the mass. For example the communion hymn should be quiet and reverent, as people will be praying and or/receiving our Lord; whilst the opening and possibly the recessional should link to the readings of the mass if possible (or perhaps be a marian hymn for the recessional).
There are some beatiful guitar-accompanied hymns about, that wouldn't sound right on an organ - I don't think these should be excluded just on the grounds they are not played on an organ - there was a time when church's didn't have organs, and the best they had was stringed instruments.
What I do object to is the use of 'inappropriate music' as a way of making the mass more interesting - this is an oft-cited reason for having jazz-y music in masses aimed at young people (this 'shine, Jesus, shine' nonsense). If people knew and appreciated what the mass was about then we wouldn't need to 'jazz it up' in any way.
All the best
That's very strange--I consider *Shine Jesus Shine *written by Graham Kendrick (this is the hymn you're referring to, right?) a modern hymn written in a traditional style.
There is nothing in the hymn that would make it a "jazz" hymn--no blue notes or chords, very little syncopated rhythm, no "swing" rhythm, no "improv." The rhythm is written in a staid 4/4, almost a march, but usually it is sung slowly (too slowly IMO--it would be difficult to march so slowly unless the unit is marching at a funeral procession).
The words to the hymn are quite deep and stirring and certainly not trite or inclusive. I read through them just now and see nothing troubling for Catholics in the theology.
Maybe the group you listened to tried to "jazz up" this hymn. This can be done with ANY hymn; e.g. Hail Holy Queen, about as traditional and "Catholic" a hymn as you wish, but it was re-arranged in the movie Sister Act *to make it quite lively (not jazz--more like light pop). Some contemporary arrangements of hymns work well, but some are dreadful; a few weeks ago, I attended a funeral for an elderly gentleman during which the musicians did a horrible contemporary version of *In The Garden, with a rock-like syncopated rhythm and sliding up and down in the melody line--shudder. People really have to know what they're doing to take a perfectly fine hymn and re-arrange it. I think that the Sister Act arrangement of Hail Holy Queen *was quite nice, but the *In The Garden made me worry that the dear departed would rise up from the casket and ask the musicians to please stop.
I think we need to be careful to be correct when using various music style terms like "jazz" or "rock" or "gospel." It's confusing otherwise. Music styles have particular traits, and just because a hymn was written after 1950, or just because we do not personally like a hymn does not make it a "jazz" hymn.