Russia fires on Ukrainian vessels in Black Sea; 2 wounded


Russia fires on Ukrainian vessels in Black Sea. Each side blames the other.

End result: the Kerch strait is blockaded, cutting off Ukraine’s only access to its eastern ports; the Ukrainian parliament is in emergency session tomorrow afternoon to consider the president’s request to impose martial law; and an emergency session of the UN Security Council has been called.



Deploy NATO immediately.


A “treaty” of 2003 is or is not authorization for sharing territorial waters of the Kerch Strait and the Sea of Azov?
Strange how agreements, treaties, hand shakes to seal a deal, marriages, and oaths are easily ignored without accountability. No wonder most people agree its time to straighten up!


Hopefully cooler heads prevail until all details are in. Means should be sought to prevent escalation. There may be more to it or maybe things can be worked out between the two countries. Ukraine is not in NATO at this time.

This is one more example of where our involvement in NATO predisposes us to becoming involved in these potentially powder keg situations. Our choice to be involved or not can be made I feel regardless of being a part of an alliance.


Russia has been asserting sole control over the Kerch Strait and Sea of Azov for months now, this is just the biggest (and most dangerous) incident.

This morning’s updates: Ukraine claims 6 sailors are wounded and several have required surgery to remove shrapnel, while Russia refers to only 3 “lightly injured”; the wounded sailors reportedly have been transported to Moscow and Ukraine demands their release and is filing an emergency application to the European Court of Human Rights; Russia is still resisting calls to release the Ukrainian vessels and sailors; the Kerch strait appears to be reopened to civilian shipping traffic (subject to Russia stopping the ships for lengthy inspections, which has been happening since at least June); Germany has warned of consequences if Russia doesn’t release the Ukrainian vessels; various commentators are speculating about each side’s motivations (Putin’s approval ratings falling from 82% in April to 66% in October, martial law possibly suspending Ukraine’s spring presidential election); a news commentator on Russian state TV claims that the whole thing is a provocation by the USA…

A big mess, in other words. May cool heads prevail soon.


Various updates.

First, a brief history of some of the 25+ year conflict between Russia and Ukraine over the Azov Sea and Kerch Strait:

Second, the captured Ukrainian sailors are being criminally charged and detained for at least two months in Simferopol, the regional capital of Crimea that is in the center of the peninsula (not Kerch, where they were captured). Crimean Tatar lawyers have agreed to represent the sailors.

Third, the Ukrainian parliament in emergency session yesterday afternoon and evening approved the president’s request to impose martial law, but on a more limited basis than the president requested. Martial law comes into effect tomorrow morning at 9 a.m. Ukraine time in 10 regions bordering Russia, the Black Sea or Azov Sea, or the disputed region of Moldova known as Trans-Dnistria, and will last for 30 days. The parliament also fixed the date for presidential elections, since some lawmakers were concerned that imposing martial law was an attempt to delay elections.


New radio intercept proves crews of Russian fighter aircraft received orders to attack Ukrainian boats Nov 25.

The SBU Security Service of Ukraine at a briefing in Kyiv on Thursday revealed the audio recording with intercepted radio communications of a Russian K52 attack helicopter and a Su-30SM warplane with their command centers, clearly indicating that the Russian military leadership gave orders to use weapons against Ukrainian boats in the Kerch Strait area.

“We have intercepted communications of the crews of the Russian [Su-30SM] warplane and a Ka-52 helicopter with the relevant command centers. These talks leave no doubt that the Russian military leadership deliberately gave the order to use weapons against Ukrainian ships,” Deputy Head of the SBU Security Service of Ukraine, Oleh Frolov, said, presenting to journalists the relevant clip. “In fact, it’s a miracle the Ukrainian sailors survived as they were attacked from six types of weapons overall,” Frolov said.

As a Su-30SM fighter jet pilot communicated with the control tower, the latter asked: “Did you do the job?” “I did the job, practically, with the two [missiles],” the fighter pilot responded.

Also, the tower asked a pilot of one of the two K52 attack helicopters that scrambled to engage Ukrainian vessels about the number of ammunition used: "Report on the use of “pencils,” to which the pilot responded that his aircraft used none, while the other helicopter in the pair fired two. The audio released on YouTube is in Russian.

Read more on UNIAN:


In Odessa, where I lived in November, and on Black Sea area, many people began to panic. Some fear the Donetsk scenario and buy in large amount sugar, salt, cereals, and even church candles.



Here’s a news analysis post attempting to cross-reference both the Ukrainian and Russian versions of events. The source is Ukrainian, so I’m sure some posters will suggest they’re biased, but they take apart all the statements and cross-reference them with publicly available information (ship coordinates, obvious geographic errors in the FSB report, intercepted radio traffic, distress call of the Ukrainian ship Berdiansk).

Sadly, that probably is a good idea.



Usually older people often panic. In fact, everything is stable in supermarkets.


Everyone remembers that in the occupied territories, the life of citizens after the occupation turned into hell. Lines and shortages of basic food items were common.

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