Sabbath and three days


#1

Just want to say i’m not a Catholic, well not a member of any church, i am looking for the truth and if there is one true church.

I have heared that the Roman Catholic church is suppose to have changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday, is this true?

I’m also curious where good friday came from, and what is the Catholic churches interperatation of Yshua’s three days and three nights in the heart of the earth?

Let the peace of Yshua’s way purify us.
Paul.


#2

Hi, Catholics “changed” the Sabbath to Sunday. Early Jewish Christians met on Sunday to celebrate the Reserrection of Jesus Christ who rose on Sunday.

As to the other, I am not sure, but I believe since Christ died before sundown Friday, that is one day, Saturday is two days, and on Sunday the third day, He rose again. Is this what you were referring to?

God Bless,

Maria


#3

whether the resurection was the day after the seventh day Sabbath i’ve yet to be convinced.

three days and three nights can’t be said of the ending of friday and beginning of sunday, that makes only two nights being friday’s and saturday’s night, and only one day being saturday’s.

This is what i’ve heard but am not sure on, Yshua was crucified on the 14th day after they had ate the Passover at the beginning of the day which was evening.
The 15th day was a Holy day, the first day of unleavened bread, of which His body was not to be left on the cross, they may have got Him to the tomb before or even when this day began.

Lev 23:4 These [are] the feasts of the LORD, [even] holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth [day] of the first month at even [is] the LORD’S passover.
Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month [is] the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.
Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day [is] an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work [therein].

What is said is that the day after the two Mary’s bought spices, then they rested on the Sabbath, and came the day after the Sabbath to the tomb.

I have this feeling though that the first day of the first month of the year would represent the first day of creation, so the Sabbath then would fall on the seventh, fourteenth and twenty first.
I don’t know where i get this from though.


#4

[quote=pure in heart]whether the resurection was the day after the seventh day Sabbath i’ve yet to be convinced.

three days and three nights can’t be said of the ending of friday and beginning of sunday, that makes only two nights being friday’s and saturday’s night, and only one day being saturday’s.

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Unfortunately you are making the mistake of determining the time involved as three days of 24 hours each. We must take the three days in the way it was done in Jesus’ time. Any part of a day was counted as one day. So, Jesus was taken down from the cross and laid in the tomb prior to sundown on Friday. That is one day. He was in the tomb all of Saturday. That is the second day. And He rose on Sunday (before dawn). That is the third day. We must never make the mistake of applying 21st century understanding to 1st century happenings.


#5

Sabbath or Sunday?

[/font]http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2004/0403frs.asp

[/font]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/sunday_worship.html

Proving that the Apostles themselves ‘changed’ the Sabbath to Sunday does not in itself give evidence that the Catholic Church is the true Church. There are many ways to go about doing this. I suggest you read [/font]http://www.catholic.com/library/Pillar.asp just for starters. I look forward to whatever feedback you may have on that one. :slight_smile:

Paul,
May God be with you in your journey


#6

Thanks for your help, but there are still things not clear.

three nights and three days is three days and three nights isn’t it?

the mention of both night and day doesn’t leave room for interperating just a part of a day as a day does it?

I read the first two links, didn’t get through all of the third, but one thing it seems to say is the mention of the first day of the week.
I am no language expert, but have noticed that first day of the week as translated in english of the verses metioned is not in neither the Greek or Latin.

From what i notice when is translated the first day of the week, the word day is not in the text and the word week is the same word that is used as Sabbath.

In the Septuagint the Word Sabbatwn means the Sabbath but now in the new testament means Sabbath and week.
The word Edoma was used to translated week in the old testament, and even the vulgate seemed to used a transliteration of the Greek word for week.

It could be said the Greek language changed a bit by the time the new testament was written, and Hebrew words may have been borrowed and used aswell for other words.
But the main problem i have with this is why Jerome didn’t use the same word for week as he did in the old testament.

The words used for week in the new testament in both Greek and latin, seem to be a transliteration of the Hebrew word Shbt or as we call Sabbath.

The day the two Mary’s actually came to the tomb is called first Sabbath or one Sabbath.
But we know they rested on the Sabbath according to the commandment. Luke 23:56

I hear some say all the days of the feast of unleavened bread were called Sabbaths.

Why is the day the two Mary’s came to the tomb called Sabbath?
And when other times first day of the week is used, why is does the word which week is translated from very much look like in is a transliteration of Sabbath or Shbt?

As a said i’m no language expert, and there may be a good explanation, maybe there re some Catholic here who know some Latin who could bring some light on the subject.

Thanks for your time, and may God show us His truth.
God bless.
Paul


#7

There is a school thought that says that there were “two sabbaths” the week that Jesus was crucified.

The Jewish calendar had their normal Sabbaths and then “Great Sabbaths”, associated with major feasts which were dated by use of the lunar Calendar.

This theory says that the Last Supper was actually on Tuesday of that week, because the Great Sabbath of Passover was on Wednesday (and then the weekly Sabbath on Friday).

There seems to be some disagreement as to when Jesus was actually crucified, Wednesday, or Thursday.

If you think about it, it seems quite difficult for the Last Supper to have been held on Thursday night, then the Agony in the Garden, then the Betrayal of Jesus by Judas, then dragging Jesus off to the High Priest, assembling of the crowds, then to Pilate, then to Herod, then back to Pilate, (do you think those two would be getting up in the middle of the night to deal with what they thought was a common Jewish criminal?), then the scourging/crowning, and then the Way of the Cross up to Calvary?

Do you really think that all that could have been done in 12 hours or less?

If you do a Google search on: “two sabbaths” last supper
you will get over 300 hits which will inform you of the theory.

Also see the following articles:

bibarch.com/Articles/Article-Last%20Seder.htm

bibarch.com/Articles/CrucifixionWeek.htm


#8

Justin Martyr, who converted to Christianity about A.D. 130, that is less than 100 years after Jesus death and resurrection and less than 35 years after the death of the last Apostle, wrote in chapter 67 of his First Apology, the following:And on the day called Sunday, all who live in cities or in the country gather together to one place, and the memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read, as long as time permits; then, when the reader has ceased, the president verbally instructs, and exhorts to the imitation of these good things. Then we all rise together and pray, and, as we before said, when our prayer is ended, bread and wine and water are brought, and the president in like manner offers prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people assent, saying Amen; and there is a distribution to each, and a participation of that over which thanks have been given, and to those who are absent a portion is sent by the deacons. And they who are well to do, and willing, give what each thinks fit; and what is collected is deposited with the president, who succours the orphans and widows and those who, through sickness or any other cause, are in want, and those who are in bonds and the strangers sojourning among us, and in a word takes care of all who are in need. But Sunday is the day on which we all hold our common assembly, because it is the first day on which God, having wrought a change in the darkness and matter, made the world; and Jesus Christ our Saviour on the same day rose from the dead. For He was crucified on the day before that of Saturn (Saturday); and on the day after that of Saturn, which is the day of the Sun, having appeared to His apostles and disciples, He taught them these things, which we have submitted to you also for your consideration.


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