Please teach me what Roman Catholic Christians believe on the topic of Sacred Tradition. How do you determine if tradition is just tradition or considered to be Sacred Tradition? For instance, are all of the early church Father’s writings considered to be Sacred Tradition, or just tradition? Can you direct me to a website to all of the Sacred Tradition revelation of the Catholic Church? Help me understand why Sacred Tradition is not considered new and ongoing revelation since Jude verse 3 tells us the deposit of faith was once for all delivered to the saints. Therefore, I don’t believe the Orthodox Christian Faith allows for new revelation, or does it?
The canon of Scripture is a prime example of Sacred Tradition.
I already have that part of catholic Tradition. Could you please give me a link to the larger porition of Sacred Oral and Written Tradition…please?
Tradition and tradition are 2 different things.
“tradition” (small ‘t’ ) “Tradition” (big ‘T’)
Whoa! So you, too, believe in an extra-Biblical Tradition?
Nope, that’s not correct. The Catholic Catechism and the companion to the Catechism I once owned. Sacred Oral and and Written Sacred Tradition is much much bigger than that.
I understand the distinction.
There is tradition and there is Sacred Oral and Written Tradition. So how do you know if something is tradition or Sacred Oral and Written Tradition?
:yup: Tradition is much much bigger than that.
I think you have no idea where to find all of Sacred Oral and Written Tradition of the Catholic Church.
Maybe someone can post my question with a Catholic Forum apologist? I’ve studied and read through the Catechism of the Catholic Church and the companion before.
You’d be wrong. Here is where to find it:
Catechism of the Catholic Church
80 "Sacred Tradition and Sacred Scripture, then, are bound closely together, and communicate one with the other. For both of them, flowing out from the same divine well-spring, come together in some fashion to form one thing, and move towards the same goal."40 Each of them makes present and fruitful in the Church the mystery of Christ, who promised to remain with his own “always, to the close of the age”.41
. . . two distinct modes of transmission
81 "Sacred Scripture is the speech of God as it is put down in writing under the breath of the Holy Spirit."42
"And [Holy] *Tradition *transmits in its entirety the Word of God which has been entrusted to the apostles by Christ the Lord and the Holy Spirit. It transmits it to the successors of the apostles so that, enlightened by the Spirit of truth, they may faithfully preserve, expound and spread it abroad by their preaching."43
82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone. Both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments of devotion and reverence."44
Apostolic Tradition and ecclesial traditions
83 The Tradition here in question comes from the apostles and hands on what they received from Jesus’ teaching and example and what they learned from the Holy Spirit. The first generation of Christians did not yet have a written New Testament, and the New Testament itself demonstrates the process of living Tradition.
Tradition is to be distinguished from the various theological, disciplinary, liturgical or devotional traditions, born in the local churches over time. These are the particular forms, adapted to different places and times, in which the great Tradition is expressed. In the light of Tradition, these traditions can be retained, modified or even abandoned under the guidance of the Church’s Magisterium.
III. THE INTERPRETATION OF THE HERITAGE OF FAITH
The heritage of faith entrusted to the whole of the Church
84 The apostles entrusted the “Sacred deposit” of the faith (the depositum fidei),45 contained in Sacred Scripture and Tradition, to the whole of the Church. "By adhering to [this heritage] the entire holy people, united to its pastors, remains always faithful to the teaching of the apostles, to the brotherhood, to the breaking of bread and the prayers. So, in maintaining, practicing and professing the faith that has been handed on, there should be a remarkable harmony between the bishops and the faithful."46
The Magisterium of the Church
85 "The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living teaching office of the Church alone. Its authority in this matter is exercised in the name of Jesus Christ."47 This means that the task of interpretation has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the Bishop of Rome.
86 "Yet this Magisterium is not superior to the Word of God, but is its servant. It teaches only what has been handed on to it. At the divine command and with the help of the Holy Spirit, it listens to this devotedly, guards it with dedication and expounds it faithfully. All that it proposes for belief as being divinely revealed is drawn from this single deposit of faith."48
87 Mindful of Christ’s words to his apostles: “He who hears you, hears me”,49 the faithful receive with docility the teachings and directives that their pastors give them in different forms.
The dogmas of the faith
88 The Church’s Magisterium exercises the authority it holds from Christ to the fullest extent when it defines dogmas, that is, when it proposes, in a form obliging the Christian people to an irrevocable adherence of faith, truths contained in divine Revelation or also when it proposes, in a definitive way, truths having a necessary connection with these.
89 There is an organic connection between our spiritual life and the dogmas. Dogmas are lights along the path of faith; they illuminate it and make it secure. Conversely, if our life is upright, our intellect and heart will be open to welcome the light shed by the dogmas of faith.50
90 The mutual connections between dogmas, and their coherence, can be found in the whole of the Revelation of the mystery of Christ.51 "In Catholic doctrine there exists an order or hierarchy of truths, since they vary in their relation to the foundation of the Christian faith."52
The supernatural sense of faith
91 All the faithful share in understanding and handing on revealed truth. They have received the anointing of the Holy Spirit, who instructs them53 and guides them into all truth.54
92 "The whole body of the faithful. . . cannot err in matters of belief. This characteristic is shown in the supernatural appreciation of faith (sensus fidei) on the part of the whole people, when, from the bishops to the last of the faithful, they manifest a universal consent in matters of faith and morals."55
93 "By this appreciation of the faith, aroused and sustained by the Spirit of truth, the People of God, guided by the sacred teaching authority (Magisterium),. . . receives. . . the faith, once for all delivered to the saints. . . The People unfailingly adheres to this faith, penetrates it more deeply with right judgment, and applies it more fully in daily life."56
Growth in understanding the faith
94 Thanks to the assistance of the Holy Spirit, the understanding of both the realities and the words of the heritage of faith is able to grow in the life of the Church:
- “through the contemplation and study of believers who ponder these things in their hearts”;57 it is in particular “theological research [which] deepens knowledge of revealed truth”.58
- “from the intimate sense of spiritual realities which [believers] experience”,59 the sacred Scriptures "grow with the one who reads them."60
- “from the preaching of those who have received, along with their right of succession in the episcopate, the sure charism of truth”.61 95 "It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls."62
I think you like to evade questions and issues that challenge your belief in Calvin’s theology.
So, you do believe in an extra-biblical Tradition?
Do you understand how incorrect you answer is to post the
Catechism of the Catholic Church? The Cathechism was probably written in the late 1980’s, correct? Are you saying there was no additonal Sacred Oral and Written Tradition before this particular Catechism of the Catholic Church? Heck, I even know that the Council of Trent is considered Sacred Tradition, right?
Here is the dilemma. If I read through the early Church fathers, which Church Fathers are considered Sacred Tradition, and which church fathers are just tradition. And once we determine the correct church fathers, do I accept all of what they write as Sacred Traditon, or only the portion that agrees with Roman Catholic theology? Does the Catholic Church teach that the writings of the church fathers are inspired like Holy Scriptures?
What does that post have to do with the thread topic? I think you have no idea as to the actual contents of Sacred Tradition.
The Catechism references all those centuries of councils and Church doctors, etc. in the footnotes, which of course give the more complete detailed teachings. But there is no greater singular compilation of Tradition than the Catechism.
I understand the footnotes. I used to own The Cathechism and the companion to it. Footnotes probably makeup 1% of the deposit of Sacred Oral and Written Tradition. I want all of it to read for myself. Is Catholic Sacred Tradition like the golden plates of Mormonism? How about the sacred Traditon from the Orthodox Church? What happens if the Orthodox sacred traditon contradicts the Roman Catholic sacred traditon?
Perhaps you’ve had success on other forums, being evasive, building straw men, or just being intellectually dishonest.
Perhaps you can answer a simple question:
Do you believe in an extra-Biblical tradition?
I’m sure there is some Sacred Tradition that I can embrace as truth. However, I need to read and study the sources first. Sacred Tradition can be truth when it lines up with the Holy Scriptures. Heck, I posted the Apostle’s Creed a few times… because I am catholic.