Sanhedrin to re-start Passover sacrifice


#1

Apparently the newly re-established Sanhedrin plan to restart the animal sacrifices at the Temple Mount.

I guess they want to rebuild the altar on the Temple Mount, given that they don’t have a Temple anymore. (It was destroyed in AD 70 by Roman invaders as foretold by Our Lord).

As an aside, it is interesting to note that past attempts to rebuild the Temple have resulted in miraculous intervention in the form of fire and earthquakes, according to historical documentation. See Cardinal Newman’s “Ecclesiastical Miracles” at Newman Reader for a good account.

Anyway, my question is…and I hope folks like ‘stillsmallvoice’ can offer some insights…why did the Jews stop it in the first place?

Lack of Temple?


#2

Anyway, my question is…and I hope folks like ‘stillsmallvoice’ can offer some insights…why did the Jews stop it in the first place?

i think it has something to do with the destruction of the temple in the first century and a change in the way jews worship God. they are more of a religion of the book then they use to be. i’m sure someone can give a better explanation. either way, that’s cool there will be altars and sacrifice again.


#3

[quote=Christopher]Apparently the newly re-established Sanhedrin plan to restart the animal sacrifices at the Temple Mount.
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Interesting. I was under the belief that the Sanhedrin was disbanded, for lack of a better word, after the destruction of the second Temple in 70 A.D. Furthermore, I believe that the only way one could become a Sanhedrin was by a laying of hands. Therefore, I’m wondering how the Sanhedrin could be reinstituted today considering that their line of succession was dissolved 2000 years ago? I’m hoping someone knowledgeable will jump in here and answer my question.

[quote=Christopher]I guess they want to rebuild the altar on the Temple Mount, given that they don’t have a Temple anymore. (It was destroyed in AD 70 by Roman invaders as foretold by Our Lord).
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I’m sure premillenial dispensationalists will be happy to hear this!

[quote=Christopher]Anyway, my question is…and I hope folks like ‘stillsmallvoice’ can offer some insights…why did the Jews stop it in the first place?
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Yes, I believe that the quick and easy answer is that because the Temple was destroyed. There are no longer Jewish priests. Only Rabbis (teachers).


#4

[quote=John Joseph]I’m sure premillenial dispensationalists will be happy to hear this!
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It does fall in line with the literal interpretation of the prophetic passages in the Bible. Remember, the Church was predominately Premillennial for at least the first 400 years. Erroneously Rome adopted Augustine’s mystical view of the Kingdom, and most of the Reformers retained the Amillennial view. But God’s Word is immutable and He is watching over His word to perform it (Jer. 1:12).


#5

I have read a book by a Jewish rabbi…I think it is called "The beginning of the end’ and this is commented in it.

The book beleives once we see the sacrifices being done by the Jewish priests again…well…things will not be so pretty after that.
I am not at home right now, but I will look it up. He beleives the mess of everything began with the assassination of Rabin.

Blessings,
Shoshana


#6

[quote=Ozzie]It does fall in line with the literal interpretation of the prophetic passages in the Bible. Remember, the Church was predominately Premillennial for at least the first 400 years. Erroneously Rome adopted Augustine’s mystical view of the Kingdom, and most of the Reformers retained the Amillennial view. But God’s Word is immutable and He is watching over His word to perform it (Jer. 1:12).
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By literal interpretation I’m assuming you are referencing to such prophetic passages as Daniel and Zechariah. There were certainly Premillenialists during the first 400 years of the Church, but I am of the belief that most of them subscribed to hard dating Christ’s second coming. The fact that all of these dates have come and gone indicates to me that they misunderstood the prophecies. The current open ended end of times beliefs espoused by modern day Rapturists only dates back a few hundred years. I would be interested in evidence that suggests otherwise.


#7

[quote=Shoshana]I have read a book by a Jewish rabbi…I think it is called "The beginning of the end’ and this is commented in it.

The book beleives once we see the sacrifices being done by the Jewish priests again…well…things will not be so pretty after that.
I am not at home right now, but I will look it up. He beleives the mess of everything began with the assassination of Rabin.

Blessings,
Shoshana
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Hebrews:

9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation

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#8

[quote=John Joseph] The current open ended end of times beliefs espoused by modern day Rapturists only dates back a few hundred years. I would be interested in evidence that suggests otherwise.
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To the 19th Century, to be exact.


#9

Hi all!

Sigh

Adopting flowery titles and a given group of rabbis calling itself “Sanhedrin” no more makes it a/the real Sanhedrin than me deciding to anoint myself Chancellor of the Klingon Empire. I’ll adapt what I said here forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=400595#post400595 & simply say that some of my more eccentric brethren are at it again. Extremists & self-aggrandizers, whose popular and rabbinic following is in inverse proportion to the publicity that they have a penchant for generating for themselves, take themselves far more seriously than anyone else does. But the newspaper business being what it is, extremists (as opposed to staid moderates) make for juicy headlines.

There is no Sanhedrin :crying: & hasn’t been one since the Romans dispersed the last one back in the 5th century CE. See ou.org/about/judaism/sanhedrin.htm & jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Judaism/Sanhedrin.html.

I don’t care for the mistranslation “sacrifice” for the Hebrew word korban, which actually is a cognate of a root meaning “to approach” or “to draw near/close to”) Because there is no Temple (and for other reasons as well), the order of offerings (as well as other Torah precepts which are dependent on the Temple & a fully functioning Aaronic priesthood, such as accepting tithes, administering the bitter waters to a suspected adultress, 7th and Jubilee years, etc. etc.) are also temporarily suspended :crying: .

The order of offerings on a regular basis ceased in CE 70, when the Romans destroyed the Second Temple. It was briefly reinstituted during the Bar Kokhba revolt against Rome (in CE 132-135, see us-israel.org/jsource/biography/Kokhba.html ). There are vague hints that it may have been reinstituted for an even shorter period during the brief reign of the Roman Emperor Julian (“the Apostate”) in CE 361-363 (see jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=716&letter=J&search=Julian). It probably was reinstituted for a short time after CE 614, when the Sassanid Persians captured Jerusalem from the Byzantines & turned the city over to us. But this interlude came to an end when the Byzantines retook the city a few years later. Since then, nada. :crying:

As our very great medieval sage Maimonedes (see us-israel.org/jsource/biography/Maimonides.html) puts it:

“In the future, the King Messiah will stand up and restore the Davidic monarchy…build the Temple, gather the dispersed of Israel, and restore all the laws as they were in former times: offerings, sabbatical and jubilee years as they are commanded in the Torah.

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#10

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To the best of my knowledge, I am a Levite. Nowadays, that doesn’t mean so much. I get to get called up second (after the cohain; see below) when the Torah is read in synagogue & I help the cohain wash his hands before he gives the priestly blessing during morning prayers, but that’s about it.

The Hebrew word for priest is cohain. Thus, Jews with the names Cohen, Cohn, Cahn, Kahn, Kahan, Kahane or Katz (an acronym for cohain tzedek) are of priestly stock. The priesthood is passed from father to son, going all the way back to Aaron and his sons Elazar and Ithamar. A priest may noy marry a divorcee or a convert (these restrictions apply even today); if he does, his male descendants by her are not priests. (Hebrew has a different word for a non-Jewish, i.e. Catholic or Eastern Orthodox, priest: komer, pronounced with a long o). Similarly,

Jews surnamed Levy, Levi, Levitt, etc. are of Levitical stock. Anyone who is of priestly stock (those Cohens, Katzes, etc.) or Levitical are priests-in-waiting/Levites-in-waiting. In Temple times, the priests & Levites were organized into rotations, arranged by family groups, so that everyone had equal time officiating in the Temples & an equal share of the various tithes. Up until the destruction of the 2nd Temple (and for a while afterwards), strict geneological lists were kept of priests & Levites. All those have long since been lost.

Nowadays, many people with one of the priestly/Levitical surnames may not be actual priests (i.e. direct descendants of Aaron & his sons Elazar & Ithamar, in an unbroken male line) or Levites & many people without the priestly/Levitical surnames are probably priests/Levites. When the Messiah comes & active prophecy is reestablished, there will presumably be some way of figuring out who’s who for certain (it has to be certain; even “pretty close” is not good enough).

See Rabbis, Priests and Other Religious Functionaries at jewfaq.org/rabbi.htm.

We (orthodox Jews) pray daily for the restoration of the Temple! (See templeinstitute.org/main.html).

Howzat?

Be well!

ssv :wave:


#11

[quote=oat soda] either way, that’s cool there will be altars and sacrifice again.
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With respect, less than cool. See Post #9. The One Sacrifice has been offered. It is extended and offered continuously in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. Anything less would be inadequate and people would be deceiving themselves.


#12

Peace be ever with you SSV,

Blessings be with you and your family and friends. Amen.

With regard to the Sanhedrin, What will it take to restart a legitimate one?

Peace.


#13

[quote=John Joseph]By literal interpretation I’m assuming you are referencing to such prophetic passages as Daniel and Zechariah.
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As well as prophetic passages in Ezekiel, Isaiah, the minor prophets and certainly we can’t leave out Jeremiah. Not only the prophetic writings but the unconditional covenants God made with national Israel which MUST be fulfilled. Also there is plenty of prophecy in the N.T. to warrant God’s future, prophetic program with His covenant nation, which reaffirms the O.T. prophetic writings and Biblically opposes the later idea by men that the Church has replaced national Israel.

There were certainly Premillenialists during the first 400 years of the Church, but I am of the belief that most of them subscribed to hard dating Christ’s second coming.

What’s your source? Most simply believed that Christ would set up His Millennial Kingdom on earth at His 2nd Advent. For instance, Justin Martyr wrote:

But I and whatsoever Christians are orthodox in all things do know that there will be a resurrection of the flesh, and a thousand years in the city of Jerusalem, built, adorned and enlarged, according as Ezekiel, Isaiah, and other prophets have promised. For Isaiah saith of this thousand years (ch. 65:17) ‘Behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind; but be ye glad and rejoice in those which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem to triumph, and my people to rejoice,’ etc. Moreover, a certain man among us, whose name is John, being one of the twelve apostles of Christ, in that revelation which was shown to him prophesied, that those who believe in our Christ shall fulfil a thousand years at Jerusalem; and after that the general, and, in a word, the everlasting resurrection, and last judgment of all together. Whereof also our Lord spake when He said, that therein they shall neither marry, nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal with the angels, being made the sons of the resurrection of God."

The current open ended end of times beliefs espoused by modern day Rapturists only dates back a few hundred years.

The formal development of the doctrine, yes. But the teaching is rooted in N.T. Scripture. The argument that it’s a “new” doctrine does not warrant it’s rejection.


#14

[quote=John Joseph]Hebrews:

9:24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 9:25 Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 9:26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation

[left]As Christians we need to ask why would God allow for the resumption of animal sacrafice?[/left]

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John, I am much aware of Jesus’ sacrifice. I am a devout Roman Catholic who has the blessing of attending The Sacrifice of the Mass anytime I desire.

But that wasn’t my point. There are extremists in the Jewish community who believe that the Temple will rise again and the sacrifice as done by the Jewish priests will start again.

I am saying…when that happen, we are in trouble…

Blessings,
Shoshana


#15

[quote=chrisb]Peace be ever with you SSV,

Blessings be with you and your family and friends. Amen.

With regard to the Sanhedrin, What will it take to restart a legitimate one?.
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See: jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1105418785934

israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=75313

See thread: forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?t=32603&highlight=king


#16

Thank you ssv. Peace to you in the Most High.

I knew you would be a fountain of information on the subject.


#17

"But that wasn’t my point. There are extremists in the Jewish community who believe that the Temple will rise again and the sacrifice as done by the Jewish priests will start again.

I am saying…when that happen, we are in trouble…"

And I’m saying, watch what happens if they try to rebuild the Temple. It ain’t gonna happen brother. Last time it was attempted there was some smacketh laid down. Read my Newman link for an account of what happened.


#18

Shoshana:

I was not intending to “preach to the choir” so to speak, I was merely asking a question to those who believe that the prophecies of Daniel (9:27 “He shall cause sacrifice and offering to cease”) are still unfulfilled. I used your post as a springboard. Sorry for the confusion.

Peace be with you always,
John


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Anything less would be inadequate and people would be deceiving themselves.

i think that by sacrificing animals, the jews will inadvertently show how the suffering, crucifixion, and death of our Lord was necessary to save us just as the pascal lamb during passover saved the Jews from the angel of death. it can be a sign of the pascal mystery of Christ and how the old testament was fullfilled in the new.

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#20

[quote=Christopher]And I’m saying, watch what happens if they try to rebuild the Temple. It ain’t gonna happen brother. Last time it was attempted there was some smacketh laid down. Read my Newman link for an account of what happened.
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But according to God’s written Word, it is gonna happen! Maybe not in the immediate future, but it WILL happen. The prophecy of the 70 Weeks of Daniel must be fulfilled (Dan. 9:24-27). There will be a rebuilt “Tribulation Temple,” and then a rebuilt “Millennial Temple,” according to God’s immutable Word. This isn’t up to you or me or any Allah worshipping Arabs.


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