Saudi authorities beheaded and crucified a man convicted:

Why is this news now? This is normal in Saudi Arabia.-Stan.

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia — Saudi authorities beheaded and crucified a man convicted of brutally slaying an 11-year-old boy and his father, the Interior Ministry announced.
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According to the statement issued by the ministry Friday, shop owner Ahmed al-Anzi molested the boy and then strangled him with a length of rope. He then stabbed the boy’s father to death when the man came looking for his son.
He hid both the bodies in his shop, the statement said, adding that al-Anzi threatened police with a knife when they came to arrest him.
Al-Anzi had previously been convicted of sodomy and owning pornographic films, a crime in conservative Saudi Arabia.
Crucifying the headless body in a public place is a way to set an example, according to the kingdom’s strict interpretation of Islam. Normally those convicted of rape, murder and drug trafficking in Saudi Arabia are just beheaded.
London-based rights group Amnesty International criticized al-Anzi’s execution and crucifixion.
“It is horrific that beheading and crucifixions still happen,” said Hassiba Hadj Sahraoui of Amnesty International in a statement Friday.

I’m not sure which is more disgusting - the crimes or the punishments.

Although both are horrific, I would have to vote for the crimes as being worse. :frowning:

What I’m asking about this news article is why this is NEWS? This is just normal in the Kingdom. This stuff happens every week!

As far as I know the Kingdom stopped it in 1990/91 when the Allies was in the Kingdom during Desert Shield/Storm.

Oh just while we were there then it started again.

Yes, you are right. The boy who was raped was alive to experience the horror, whereas at least the mutilated corpse which was put on display was no longer capable of experiencing.

I wonder how many Moslems this will drive away from embracing Islamist fundamentalism?

Probably none. In fact, considering the crimes, it likely reaffirmed the Islamist view of things there.

That’s totally frikin’ awesome!!!

ahem I mean, that’s terrible! That’s just* horrible!* :blush:

Mine bleedin’ heart goes out to the mudering child molestor!

What barbarians! They ought follow the example of a civilized state and imprison the poor man for a few years before releasing him, a reformed man, finally turned from his deviant ways.

Good post.

Good post. We could learn something from the Saudis about deterring these crimes in the US, methinks.

For a crime like that, I don’t shed many tears at the punishment.

A big :thumbsup: to the saudi goverment.More of this is needed.
one poster wondered if this would drive away any muslims from embracing Islamist fundamentalism. Heck its almost enough to drive me t ofollowing it.

It is just that if wateboarding is enough to drive moderate Moslems into militant Islam, then wouldn’t crucifixion by militant Islamist not tend to drive them the other way?

Not likely one supposes.

There is not much doubt that the Catholic Church teaches that torture is evil. Taht teachign is revealing itself especially in our time. No doubt it follows from Isaiah through Jesus.

Even if we give the widest possible berth to what exactly defines torture, crucifixion would fit anyone’s definition. If crucifixion isn’t torutre, then nothing is.

There is a certain mindset for sure that will always be attracted to the inhumanity of the Islamist way. It is a big reason why Islam has been so successful.

Amputations, decapitations, crucifixion and torture are very much a part of Islamic culture and teaching even. This is what some people want for sure.

I very much doubt that waterboarding has driven any moderate Muslim towards militant Islam, particularly since the waterboardees (Is that a word?;)) are the people who also make life miserable for the moderates. More likely the latter would dispense with the waterboarding in favor of beheading.

Ah, I wonder if Washington DC is concerned that if Shiria Law (sp ?) is adopted here, it would sure upset a lot of homosexual lifestyle supporters.


Please. It was the corpse that was crucified. This is, at best, the desecration of a dead body, not the torture of a live person. Criminals were beheaded in France until the 1950s. Saudi Arabia is trying to protect its citizens.

**2267 Assuming that the guilty party’s identity and responsibility have been fully determined, the traditional teaching of the Church does not exclude recourse to the death penalty, if this is the only possible way of effectively defending human lives against the unjust aggressor.
If, however, non-lethal means are sufficient to defend and protect people’s safety from the aggressor, authority will limit itself to such means, as these are more in keeping with the concrete conditions of the common good and are more in conformity to the dignity of the human person.

Today, in fact, as a consequence of the possibilities which the state has for effectively preventing crime, by rendering one who has committed an offense incapable of doing harm - without definitely taking away from him the possibility of redeeming himself - the cases in which the execution of the offender is an absolute necessity “are very rare, if not practically non-existent.”**

The Catholic position on this is very clear. The burden of proving that there is no other way of protecting society falls upon the state. Therefore, the death penalty cannot be the first choice.

The purpose of the death penalty is to protect, not to punish or to set an example for others.

As Catholics we cannot promote this kind of punitive behavior as the first action against a crime, when there are other possibilities such as life imprisonment without the possibility of parole.

Let us look back at the assassination attempt against John Paul II. John Paul himself opposed the death penalty and he visited his assailant and prayed for him. He also forgave him.

Maximilian Kolbe prayed for his murderers, as did Edith Stein. Neither wished them dead.

They all imitated Christ who prayed for the forgiveness of his killers.

Emotions run high on these issues. But we must be guided by morals, not by emotions. The State cannot be given free license to terminate a person’s life when it has other options to protect its citizens.

The death penalty is often used because it is more convenient than a reform of a legal system that does not work or that is currupt.


Br. JR, OSF :slight_smile:

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