Second Oklahoma Muslim Arrested After Threatening to Behead Co-Worker


#1

christiannews.net/2014/09/30/second-oklahoma-muslim-arrested-after-threatening-to-behead-co-worker/

Besides the obviously heinous nature of this phenomenon, another thing that disturbs me is the lack of outrage among Muslims and their leaders. This I believe has the effect of perpetuating this barbaric violence among those Muslims so inclined. I see it as a tacit endorsement. It takes guts to stand against evil. Let’s see some, Muslims and Muslim leaders! The only people who seem to be calling Islam the religion of peace are people who don’t actually practice Islam.


#2

I think it’s more than a coincidence that demons were invited to Oklahoma just before the beheading of a woman by a man who acted demon possessed. By the way, the real “war on women” is Islamic fundamentalism. But this seems lost on the liberals in the media who prefer to call the beheading of a woman “workplace violence.”

September 21, 2014 - ‘Black Mass’ in Oklahoma
September 25, 2014 - Oklahoma Woman Beheaded


#3

Do you make sure your outrage is shown publicly every time a Christian does something horrible?


#4

Can you site some incidents in which Christians were involved in similar violence?


#5

This is where they invoke the KKK and the Crusades. Oh, btw EWTN is running a special sometime this weekend on the Crusades. :slight_smile:


#6

I know when Scott Roeder shot George Tiller, Pro-Life organizations immediately condemned it. These few incidences like this are the only thing that even come close to these events in Oklahoma.

And for the record, I think killing a late term abortionist and killing perhaps a woman who fired you as is the case in Moore Oklahoma are very different but nevertheless, both very wrong.


#7

Like what beheading people in the name of Christ? where is that happening?


#8

I agree!


#9

I’d like to know, too.


#10

It’s the religion of peace. And we’ll kill you to prove it.


#11

This was not only something horrible, it was done in the name of ISLAM.


#12

If Our Lord said the below we would be the same only that Our Lord was a Man/God of Peace,
i.e He who lives by the sword dies by the Sword.
a and Peace to people of good will.
b. Lord Jesus Christ
Who said to your Apostles
Peace I leave you, my peace I give you.
C. Glory to God in the highest and on Earth Peace, good Will toward men ( Luke 2;14

D. Peace I leave with you, my Peace I give to you. (John 14;27

E. Rom 14:17/ Phil 4:6-7 / Matt 5:9

Peace is essential to Christianity.

Not the following teachings of Islam.
Qur’anic verses in favor of violence[edit]

Quran in chapter 9 says,
"Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger to those of the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.[1]
So travel freely (O Mushrikun) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah, and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.[2]

And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah — the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (to Muhammad) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.[3]
Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun (the pious — see V.2:2).[4]

Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat(charity), then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.[5]
And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not.[6]"
—Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 9:1-6

"O you who believe (in Allah’s Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad)! Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are Najasun (impure). So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. [28]

Fight against those who
(1) believe not in Allah,
(2) nor in the Last Day,
(3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger
(4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. [29]

And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah’s Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! [30]"
—Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 9:28-30

Quran chapter 8 says,
“(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.”[12]
This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is Severe in punishment.[13]”
—Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 8:12-13

“Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).[38]
And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do.[39]”
—Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 8:38-39
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Other than to say something like: that’s the way it was.

—Quote (Originally by Linusthe2nd)—
Hasn’t the world been trying to do that since 649 A.D. Seems to me the problem is with Islam itself.


#13

Love it.


#14

You mean to tell me they’re aren’t any mentally ill Christians that commit horrific acts of violence? :confused:


#15

You mean like the butchery of Muslims by Christians that went on in the CAR?


#16

Can you cite any CURRENT incidents that are similar in violence by Christians?
You point out the Crusades,however,the Muslims of today are still caught up in the barbarism of that era!:eek:


#17

Are you claiming Christians have never committed heinous murders?


#18

Well thanks for proving the point. What I’m talking about took place within the last couple of years in the Central African Republic. Is that CURRENT enough for you?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_African_Republic_conflict_(2012%E2%80%93present


#19

Here’s what seems to be the standard responses to this question-
-Well yes, but the other people did it first.
-Silly you, Christians always act in self-defense. It’s only murder when a non-Christian does it to a Christian.
-No, the people you are talking about really aren’t Christian.
-You just always want to bring up that one time. You must be part of some vast anti-Catholic plot.


#20

Duly noted.Can you cite any incidents of violence of this nature in the US by Christians?
My point is this most recent attack was done by a home grown terrorist.This is most disconcerting,I am not aware of this type of terrorism by. Christians on our own soil.


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