Secularity.

How to respond to that:

  1. Why does/did the Church promote secularity(secular music, secular activities,…)? Didn’t secularism eventually made the West a mostly atheist and unorthodox christian land, where rarely anyone does both, believe in God and follow his commandments, most people either disbelieve in God or believe in Him, but don’t go to church regulary(almost nothing), don’t follow objective morals,…Why didn’t the Catholic Church just say that most secular activities are wrong and now everyone would be 100% Catholic in the Christian world? Did the Church’s promotion of secularity made the West as it is now, unorthodox, secular, atheistic and sinful? Doesn’t make that secularity as a whole evil, because it did that to us and doesn’t that make muslims right that secular activies(secular music,…) are sinful and us wrong?
    2.When a muslim who lives in Iran for example, looks around he sees that everything is associated with God with Islam,…he sees the muslim world, which is completely muslim on every step, but when he looks at the “Christian world”, he sees that 70% of all Christians there aren’t even orthodox or they don’t even believe in God. He sees a bigger and bigger community of atheist, up to 30% of all West probably, he sees diversions, 40.000 different Christian denominations. Why is that so? Why is the muslim world so orthodox, while the “Christian world” is swimming in unorthodoxy, atheism, diversion and sin? Why did the correct religion went so far from God while Islam is right there next to Him, just like 1400 years ago.

One extra question: Why is listening to secular music considered a sin in Islam, and why is secular music allowed in Christianity?

It doesn’t. Rather, it recognizes that all creativity is a gift from God itself, and that - unless there is an obvious evil intent, such as a song that praises Satan - even secular music contains a shadow of that gift. For example, a secular song such as “Everybody Hurts” by R.E.M. (which basically tells you to hope and not commit suicide) is not explicitly religious, but still contains a message that is consistent with the Church’s. An instrumental piece of music, such as a composition by Bach, would be an even better example.

And the Church is clear that, whatever we choose to do, we must avoid both sin and the occasions of sin.

The secularisation of life is a Protestant idea that has little to do with the Church.

Didn’t secularism eventually made the West a mostly atheist and unorthodox christian land, where rarely anyone does both, believe in God and follow his commandments, most people either disbelieve in God or believe in Him, but don’t go to church regulary(almost nothing), don’t follow objective morals,…

That is because of Western liberalism, modernism, socialism and “unregulated” consumerism / materialism, not the Church.

Why didn’t the Catholic Church just say that most secular activities are wrong and now everyone would be 100% Catholic in the Christian world?

The Church has been saying such things for donkey’s years. Few bothered to listen. Read some of the encyclicals of Pius XI or Pius XII, for example.

Did the Church’s promotion of secularity made the West as it is now, unorthodox, secular, atheistic and sinful?

The Church can’t be blamed for something she didn’t do.

Doesn’t make that secularity as a whole evil, because it did that to us

Atheistic secularism and humanism are false doctrines and occasions of sin, but that has nothing to do with the Church.

and doesn’t that make muslims right that secular activies(secular music,…) are sinful and us wrong?

Islam is a false religion built on servile fear and malicious distortion of Jewish / Christian scriptures.

And Islam is in no position to throw stones - their atrocious practices, including honour killings, legalized rape and domestic violence, quickie divorce for men on a whim, and cowardly terrorist attacks on other nations - give them no cause for pride.

2.When a muslim who lives in Iran for example, looks around he sees that everything is associated with God with Islam,…he sees the muslim world, which is completely muslim on every step, but when he looks at the “Christian world”, he sees that 70% of all Christians there aren’t even orthodox or they don’t even believe in God. He sees a bigger and bigger community of atheist, up to 30% of all West probably, he sees diversions, 40.000 different Christian denominations. Why is that so?

That’s because of Protestantism, NOT the Church. Sigh.

Why is the muslim world so orthodox,

If you think murdering innocents, honour killings, blood feuds, institutionalized pedophilia and suppression of other religions is “orthodox”, good day to you.

while Islam is right there next to Him, just like 1400 years ago.

That is a blasphemous statement. Islam is next to a false notion of God and a false prophet.

One extra question: Why is listening to secular music considered a sin in Islam, and why is secular music allowed in Christianity?

Because Islam wants to control and micro-manage every aspect of a person’s life. It is a fatalistic religion that denies free will. That is not a compliment.

Main difference between Muslim countries such as Iran and most countries which are predominantly catholic, such as Brazil and parts of Europe; is that the latter are democracies. The church cannot ban anything because it does not have secular power, it certainly provides guidance concerning which secular arts are appropriate and inspiring.

Ok but why is the “Christian world” so secularized and the muslim world still completely the same? How could God allow that to happen? The true religion is losing their ground while the false one is still where it was 1400 years ago.

There is some merit in what you are saying; our culture makes it very difficult to live a Christian life due to the bombardment of temptations.

OTOH, are Muslims pursuing their faith because they truly love God or because their culture gives them virtually no choice? If the latter, how much merit is there in obedience which is not optional?

Therefore, the Christian who resists temptations and pursues God despite them may be more pleasing to God than the Muslim who WOULD COMMIT SIN IF IT WERE AVAILABLE but manages to avoid sins simply by virtue of the fact that he has no opportunity to commit them.

Jesus never intended his church to be the same in all ways, he wanted it to speak to each new generation and in each culture in ways that his message could be best understood. That is why the church convenes counsels to examine and deepen its understanding of Christ’s message and how best to proclaim it to the world. If Jesus had intended the church to remain static why did he give it the power to loosen and bind.

19“I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven
Matthew 16

How is the Catechism “adapted” to the multi-cultural situation of the Church in the United States?
This is the ongoing task for the bishops and for the authors, editors and publishers of catechetical materials which ought to be revised and developed in light of serious consideration of the Catechism’s entire content as well as its general directive for “indispensable adaptation.” Together they have to find ways to communicate the Church’s universal teaching as it is expressed in the experience of the Church in the United States. That experience is multicultural; therefore any catechetical materials developed from the Catechism have to be faithful to particular cultural experiences as well as to the entire content of the Catechism. In the United States, the most recent adaptation of the Catechism on the national level is the United States Catholic Catechism for Adults.

usccb.org/beliefs-and-teachings/what-we-believe/catechism/catechism-of-the-catholic-church/frequently-asked-questions-about-the-catechism-of-the-catholic-church.cfm

I also think you have a narrow perspective of Muslim countries. Turkey is one example of a Muslim country which is very secularised.

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