[quote="Neil_Anthony, post:12, topic:181899"]
Sounds like you're saying that Moses and Abraham are in hell. Either that, or you're saying that they were Catholics. Which is it?
The fact is, they weren't Catholics, and they're in heaven. You'll come back and say that they're part of the Church. Of course they are, and if Jews who lived 1000 years before Christ can be part of the Catholic church, then so can many other people, and your claims are misleading!
You're attacking a strawman. No one has suggested that the figures of the Old Testament are in hell.
Catholic doctrine teaches that the prophets and patriarchs of the Old Testament were raised from the bosom of Abraham to heaven by Christ through his descent to the dead and subsequent resurrection. They were part of the Church implicitly, and so could be saved. They denied nothing of the Church's doctrine but lived in anticipation of it.
Catholic dogma holds that no one who obstinately denies an article of Catholic doctrine (i.e.a heretic) or obstinately remains outside of communion with the Roman Pontiff (ie. a schismatic) can be saved. I know this is going to pain a great number of people, and cause much wailing and gnashing of teeth and much angry protest and misinformed ranting, but I'm now going to quote the teaching of the Church's Magisterium on this subject, which all Christians are bound to believe:
"The most Holy Roman Church firmly believes, professes and preaches that none of those existing outside the Catholic Church, not only pagans, but also Jews and heretics and schismatics, can have a share in life eternal; but that they will go into the "eternal fire which was prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matthew 25:41) unless before death they are joined with Her"* - 11th Session of the Council of Florence
"Now the holy Church universal proclaims that God cannot be truly worshipped saving within herself, asserting that all they that are without her shall never be saved." *- Pope St. Gregory the Great
"There is but one universal Church of the faithful, outside which no one at all is saved." - Fourth Lateran Council
"Teach that just as there is only one God, one Christ, one Holy Spirit, so there is also only one truth which is divinely revealed. There is only one divine faith which is the beginning of salvation for mankind and the basis of all justification, the faith by which the just person lives and without which it is impossible to please God and come to the community of His children (Romans 1; Hebrews 11; Council of Trent, Session 6, Chapter 8). There is only one true, holy, Catholic Church, which is the Apostolic Roman Church. There is only one See founded on Peter by the word of the Lord, outside of which we cannot find either true faith or eternal salvation. He who does not have the Church for a mother cannot have God for a father, and whoever abandons the See of Peter on which the Church is established trusts falsely that he is in the Church. ... Outside of the Church, nobody can hope for life or salvation unless he is excused through ignorance beyond his control." - Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quidem
"This is our last lesson to you; receive it, engrave it in your minds, all of you: by God's commandment salvation is to be found nowhere but in the Church." - Pope Leo XIII, Annum Ingressi Summus
"The Catholic Church alone is keeping the true worship. This is the font of truth, this is the house of faith, this is the temple of God; if any man enter not here, or if any man go forth from it, he is a stranger to the hope of life and salvation… Furthermore, in this one Church of Christ, no man can be or remain who does not accept, recognize and obey the authority and supremacy of Peter and his legitimate successors." - Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos
These are just a few examples. This teaching is consistently and repeatedly defined by Popes and Ecumenical Councils. Anyone who takes the Catholic faith seriously will listen to this teaching.
Now for a prebuttal. Since I've had this discussion before, I can already tell you what the reaction to this post is going to be. The reactions will fall into one of three categories.
Some hysterical neo-Cath will quote the catechism or some modern document of the Magisterium in order to repudiate the Church's past Magisterium, as if they contradict one another. In particular, they will use the state of "invincible ignorance" mentioned in the Catechism to suggest that, in some incoherent fantasy world, people who deny Catholic doctrine or refuse to enter the Church somehow fall into a group which by definition has never encountered the Church.
Someone will say that "we can't judge" who's going to heaven, as if the Church's dogma somehow pertains to individual people instead of to general principles. Anyone who repeats the Church's dogma is being mean an insensitive and disobeying Christ by "judging" others.
Some slightly more intelligent person will say that "No Salvation Outside the Church" is just some general rule or norm and that God can choose to rescind this norm and save someone outside of the Church. The problem here is that Catholic dogma is both immutable and "Divinely revealed". God doesn't change his mind or falsify the truths which he has revealed to humanity.