Seven Sacraments


#1

Howdeee,
I left this question out here once already.

How do I defend the seven sacraments? I have a friend that is Presbyterian. He says, very sternly, that there are only two sacraments. He uses that that bible only states two sacraments that are instituted by Jesus using the words Do This… But it sure seems to me that even the Eucharist he says “do this”

Can anyone help?

ck


#2

[quote=Courage_to_ride]Howdeee,
I left this question out here once already.

How do I defend the seven sacraments? I have a friend that is Presbyterian. He says, very sternly, that there are only two sacraments. He uses that that bible only states two sacraments that are instituted by Jesus using the words Do This… But it sure seems to me that even the Eucharist he says “do this”

Can anyone help?

ck
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I’m not sure that I would disagree with him. There are only two Sacraments that are explicitly commanded in Matter and Form. The other are found with a basis in the Scriptures, some very specifically like the Anointing of the Sick, Reconciliation and Ordination. The “Anoint them with oil”, Who’s sins you forgive" and “Do not lay hands lightly upon any man” all do not command action, but assume that these actions will take place. The last two are a bit more difficult. Marriage is not instituted by Christ in the Gospels but is raised to the level of a Sacrament. It is then in St. Pauls letters where the effects and expectations of this are presented. Confirmation is the most difficult Sacrament to defend because it is a combination of both the Old Testament Anointing with oil for consecration to God and in the New Testament the laying on of hands for reception of the Holy Spirit and for the sending forth on mission.


#3

That depends, Rahner advances the theory that the Church itself is sacrament is this is confirmed in the VII documents on the Church.

Schillibeeckx takes it a bit further and states that Christ himself is God’s only sacrament. The visible, symbolic manifestation of God (rightly understood).

Raymond Noll: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0896229939/qid=1088203477/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-3337664-5324723?v=glance&s=books

Keenan Osborne: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0809129450/qid=1088203509/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-3337664-5324723?v=glance&s=books

Bernard Cooke: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0896225887/ref=pd_bxgy_img_2/104-3337664-5324723?v=glance&s=books

William Bausch: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0896221741/qid=1088203680/sr=1-7/ref=sr_1_7/104-3337664-5324723?v=glance&s=books


#4

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#5

[quote=Courage_to_ride]I have a friend that is Presbyterian. He says, very sternly, that there are only two sacraments.
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Which two?


#6

[quote=amarischuk]That depends, Rahner advances the theory that the Church itself is sacrament is this is confirmed in the VII documents on the Church.

Schillibeeckx takes it a bit further and states that Christ himself is God’s only sacrament. The visible, symbolic manifestation of God (rightly understood).
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The title indicated that we were talking about the “Seven Sacraments” not the universal use of the word sacrament as sign.


#7

Thanks Br Rich! That was a good explanation. I was hit with this conversation in a store. Because I am a new Catholic, I don’t have the answer at the tip of my tongue.

Thanks again and God Bless!


#8

[quote=Br. Rich SFO]The title indicated that we were talking about the “Seven Sacraments” not the universal use of the word sacrament as sign.
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Well then that would depend on how you define sacrament wouldn’t it? And most theologians have abandoned the Baltimore Catechism definition of sacrament as sign given that ‘sign’ fails to encompass the notion of sacrament. Symbol, though not perfect and often misunderstood, is closer to the mark.

Any discussion of the seven sacraments should at least include a definition of what they are. St. Augustine listed over 300 sacraments. Anything less is merely oral pollution.

Adam


#9

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