Sheehan’s Leftwing Adventure Continues

[quote=Lischou]Splitting hairs, Mike.
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Not really. The fact that almost nobody in the US seems to know the differences between Marxism, the various forms of communism, and the various forms of socialism - or that there even is a difference - isn’t splitting hairs.

Mike

[quote=Lischou]Telling someone they’re wrong is not uncharitable.
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No. However, saying they are evil, just because they have a different point of view, is.

Mike

[quote=MikeWM]No. However, saying they are evil, just because they have a different point of view, is.

Mike
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oh Mike…you are too much… :rolleyes:

you should be charming like Monsieur Walstan :thumbsup:

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[quote=MikeWM]Not really. The fact that almost nobody in the US seems to know the differences between Marxism, the various forms of communism, and the various forms of socialism - or that there even is a difference - isn’t splitting hairs.

Mike
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Time for the parable of the chocolate cake.

There was a man who had a recipe for chocolate cake – mix mud and straw and bake.

People told him that his recipe didn’t look like a cake recipe. But he had all sorts of theories to prove it was a chocolate cake. He developed variations on the recipe – some had more straw, some had more mud.

But every time anyone tried them, all they produced was bricks.

Now, as to the theories and variations of communism and socialism – when put into practice, they produce bricks.

No. However, saying they are evil, just because they have a different point of view, is.

If you go back and check the posts, I never referred to anyone as evil. I will say Sheehan is wrong, misguided, and basing opinions on feelings rather than facts and reality. She is someone I pity. I also think she has become very caught up in her “15 minutes of fame.” When push comes to shove, hardly anyone on the left will actually back her for anything or for any office. She’s being used by the left (Chavez included) and she’s not able to see it.

Originally Posted by Lischou
Splitting hairs, Mike.

Bravo, Mike! Manipulated like a true politician. Use the part the you can twist without including other relevant information. You needed to include:

‘Rotten’ by any other name would smell just as bad. :yup:

That sets into context **my prior comment. **It’s not that I am (or Americans in general…low blow assumption made against an entire people :tsktsk: ) ignorant of the differences in governmental systems; it’s just irrelevant to the conversation or the point that Chavez does not have the *best interests of the Venezuelan people in mind. *Now I realize that you would rather discuss non sequiturs instead of Chavez’ behavior due to the fact that his moves of the last four or five years are hard to defend (with a straight face, that is). Unless, you truely wish to ally yourself with oppression and tyranny.

Vern humphrey’s cake recipe tries to make the same point as my “rotten” comment. Maybe that will make the point easier to understand. Although due to your circular counterpoints, I’m beginning to think it’s more of a “refusal to see.” :frowning:

Take care, am enjoying the give and take, time for bed though on this side of the pond…catch you tomorrow, maybe,
Lisa:)

Better than lib bias any day. :thumbsup:

[quote=MikeWM]From gopusa.com, eh? That’ll be unbiased :slight_smile:

Mike
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I’m sorry if I got out of hand. It certainly was not intended that way. My apologies! :o

Lisa

[quote=Jaypeeto3]I saw that evil woman on TV with Marxist Hugo Chavez and the crowd of America-haters with my own two eyes.
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I don’t think evil is a good word to attribute to her. Misguided, irrational, embarassing, disgracing her son’s memory, are all terms that I think apply. I think evil is a bit harsh–that term should be used for people like Osama, Hussein, Hitler, etc, probably even tyrants like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, but not a grieving mother who has lost her senses.

[quote=Lischou]If you go back and check the posts, I never referred to anyone as evil.
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I know you didn’t. But in the chain of events, you commented on a comment I made in response to someone who did do just that.

Bravo, Mike! Manipulated like a true politician. Use the part the you can twist without including other relevant information.

I apologise; my intention was not to manipulate. I don’t intend to be rude either - but in my experience most Americans don’t know that there are differences between Marxism, communism, and the various forms of socialism. I don’t doubt that some do. Nevertheless, Chavez isn’t a Marxist or a communist :slight_smile:

it’s just irrelevant to the conversation or the point that Chavez does not have the *best interests of the Venezuelan people in mind. *

As that is your point, I agree it is irrelevant in this case, and apologise again.

I don’t necessarily agree with ‘Chavez does not have the *best interests of the Venezuelan people in mind.’ though :slight_smile:

Now I realize that you would rather discuss non sequiturs instead of Chavez’ behavior due to the fact that his moves of the last four or five years are hard to defend (with a straight face, that is). Unless, you truely wish to ally yourself with oppression and tyranny.

To be fair, if you look back, we’ve discussed Chavez a number of times before. My views are probably laid out quite clearly.

Take care, am enjoying the give and take, time for bed though on this side of the pond…catch you tomorrow, maybe

Glad you’re enjoying it :slight_smile:

Mike*

Anyone think it would be a good idea to find out WHO arranged that Cindy Sheehan could attend the State of the Union address?

As her disruption was the sole purpose of being there, IMO whoever arranged her admission needs to be exposed!

Who is paying her to carry out this disgrace?

In my opinion Cindy Sheehan is anti-war, anti-American and should be ashamed of herself for exploiting her sons death. She embraces the view of the far left.

Oh and by the way, have you heard of Lisa Fithian? Sheehan joined forces with her who is a professional protestor. She protest against globalization, capitalism, war etc :mad: .

[quote=grotto]Anyone think it would be a good idea to find out WHO arranged that Cindy Sheehan could attend the State of the Union address?

As her disruption was the sole purpose of being there, IMO whoever arranged her admission needs to be exposed!

Who is paying her to carry out this disgrace?
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Cindy received a invitation from Democrat rep. of California, Lynn Woosley her only ticket.

Mike, no apology necessary. None of your comments were taken to heart. I do enjoy a vigorous debate; sharpens the “little gray cells.” :slight_smile:

I don’t necessarily agree with ‘Chavez does not have the *best interests of the Venezuelan people in mind.’ though :slight_smile:
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Hmmmm…interesting comment. What do you think he’s trying to do?

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I don’t think evil is a good word to attribute to her. Misguided, irrational, embarassing, disgracing her son’s memory, are all terms that I think apply. I think evil is a bit harsh–that term should be used for people like Osama, Hussein, Hitler, etc, probably even tyrants like Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro, but not a grieving mother who has lost her senses

Totally agree Jay!! :clapping:

Lisa
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I don’t mind Sheehan being present in the gallery during the President’s speech, as an American she has that right. I don’t agree with her in *any *way but I would defend her rights to speak and attend public political forums, to have access granted to all, etc.

I do think she was wrong to make a scene and they were right to escort her out.

She would have made a much stronger impact if she had sat quietly, politely, and listened. The American media would have focused on her for most of the speech. She would have gotten lots of air time for her ‘cause’ and she would have come off as a far more serious person, instead of just a radical.
Lisa

It is against the law to have a sign, to make a protest or to intend to disrupt inside the US Capital. This is an old law and one that is enforced hundreds of times each year.

[quote=Lischou]I don’t mind Sheehan being present in the gallery during the President’s speech, as an American she has that right. I don’t agree with her in *any *way but I would defend her rights to speak and attend public political forums, to have access granted to all, etc.

I do think she was wrong to make a scene and they were right to escort her out.

She would have made a much stronger impact if she had sat quietly, politely, and listened. The American media would have focused on her for most of the speech. She would have gotten lots of air time for her ‘cause’ and she would have come off as a far more serious person, instead of just a radical.
Lisa
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I agree with you but I have this strange feeling she wouldn’t have stayed quite. It would have been interesting to see if she got up and started to yell and what the president would have done.

[quote=Lischou]Mike, no apology necessary. None of your comments were taken to heart. I do enjoy a vigorous debate; sharpens the “little gray cells.” :slight_smile:
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Yes, indeed. Thanks :slight_smile:

Hmmmm…interesting comment. What do you think he’s trying to do?

I think some of his attempts to use the wealth of the country to aid the poorest are admirable, in education and healthcare in particular. He is making good strides to improve a lamentable situation, while being opposed at every turn. I don’t agree with some of the actions he has taken against that opposition, but he does seem to be trying to help the weakest in his society.

Mike

[quote=gilliam]It is against the law to have a sign, to make a protest or to intend to disrupt inside the US Capital. This is an old law and one that is enforced hundreds of times each year.
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In the UK you can no longer protest within 1 kilometre of Parliament without police permission :frowning: You’re doing better than we are, it seems, in some respects.

Mike

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