Shootings demonstrate need for gun control, USCCB says


#506

The NRA has strength because it has ~5M members, not because it’s wealthy or because it has anything at all to do with PP.


#507

I did not say it was “small.” I said it’s not comparable to PP in ANY way. Your attempted linkage is wrong.


#508

i discarded the PP comparison.

however, 336.7 million dollars is not a small amount of money…

and if one looks at post 483, they spent quite a bit of money on this election…


#509

Why did you try to link the NRA to PP? That was bad form.


#510

post 475. you said otherwise. and, although I havent been able to edit all of my posts concerning, i rescind the PP comparison


#511

it was, and i apologise and rescind it.


#512

For where your wealth is, there also will your heart be. - Jesus

The NRA gives a third of a billion to promote guns. Planned Parenthood a billion more to promote abortion. The Catholic Church makes a statement about gun violence and even Catholics cry foul.


#513

Anyone who starts throwing dollar signs around needs to read “The New Leviathian”.

The New Leviathan: How the Left-Wing Money-Machine Shapes American Politics and Threatens America’s Future Hardcover – June 12, 2012
by David Horowitz (Author),‎ Jacob Laksin (Author)

DiscoverTheNetworks.org, a website run by the David Horowitz Freedom Center, identified 115 major progressive or left-leaning foundations. In 2010, it found the progressive foundations had total assets of $104.56 billion.

The left-leaning National Committee for Responsive Philanthropy and Think Progress, a popular blog run by the Center for American Progress Action Fund, identified 82 major conservative grant-making foundations. In 2010, they found the conservative foundations had total assets of just $10.29 billion.

The progressive foundations awarded $8.81 billion in grants compared to the conservative foundations’ paltry $831.8 million in grants. As long as grant makers “don’t violate IRS rules that bar direct contributions to candidates and parties, tax-exempt foundations can operate without constraints,” Horowitz and Laksin write.

This vast network of left-wing funders and activist groups dwarfs anything the activist Right has to offer. It is “self-sufficient and self-perpetuating … an aristocracy of wealth whose dimensions exceed any previous accumulations of financial power, whose influence already represents a massive disenfranchisement of the American people and whose agendas pose a disturbing prospect for the American future,” according to the authors.

For example, Horowitz and Laksin also show that the Left thoroughly dominates two huge areas of interest-group warfare today: immigration and environmentalist activism.

In immigration, they found that there are nine major conservative groups “that support traditional immigration policies” and 117 progressive groups “that support radical departures from traditional immigration policies and notions of sovereignty.”

The conservative groups (e.g. Federation for American Immigration Reform, NumbersUSA Foundation) have net assets of $15.05 million (based on annual revenues of $13.8 million), compared to the $194.67 million in net assets (based on annual revenues of $306.11 million) held by progressive groups (e.g. National Council of La Raza, Redlands Christian Migrant Association).

In other words, progressive immigration groups have 22 times the revenues that their conservative counterparts have.

In the world of environmental activism, Horowitz and Laksin report that there are 32 major conservative groups that “promote market-friendly solutions” and 552 progressive groups that “promote radical views that are anti-business.” Collectively, the conservative groups have net assets of $38.24 million, a figure that seems insignificant compared to the $9.31 billion figure representing the progressive groups’ combined net assets.

The progressive environmental groups enjoy a 37 to 1 advantage over conservative environmental groups in revenues ($3.56 billion compared to $96.17 million).


#514

Here … check this out:

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#515

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#516

From one of the reviews … but read it yourself.

The Appendices … packed with factual information … go from page 183 to page 275. Notes go from page 277 to page 297. And the index runs from page 299 to page 309.

There is a LOT of useful information here.

I went and started making my own comparisons.

The largest (in assets) of the “Conservative Foundations” would only be #12, if it was a “Progressive Foundation”.

There are two Koch foundations: One would rank #29 if it was a Progressive Foundation and the other would be #38.

If they were added together, then they would rank #26, if they were one single Progressive Foundation.

La Raza has $46 million … they’re pushing for “Reconquista” … turning the western part of the U.S.A back to Mexico.

It’s shocking … you have got to buy this book and go through the many lists … 16 Appendices.


#517

The Catholic church has not made any statement about gun control. Certain individual bishops have made statements, but that represents their personal opinions, not church doctrine.


#518

That’s simply not true.

The NRA’s annual budget goes to a great many things – gun safety training, support of shooting competition (including the US Olympic Team), gun-related violence research, development of shooting venues across the nation, etc., etc.

The US bishops should stop making inane comments about things like magazine capacities. It makes them look downright foolish. The left is using them as tools.


#519

I think it is far more inane for a layman to presume to correct them and tell them how to shepherd. It is not only inane, but rather Protestant.


#520

When the USCCB commented about rifle magazine capacities they truly showed just how far they are out of their depths they are on this issue. Collectively they looked foolish – and it appears they have no idea just how foolish. Your attitude – that their words cannot be questioned by a layperson in this context is nonsensical. This is a prime example of where the USCCB should have sought some expert advice, rather than rely on political noise.


#521

No, they have little in common.

The NRA had ~$433m in revenue in 2016 for their 6 affiliated orgs, including their Political Action Committee. I doubt any of the money came from Govt subsidies or grants.

I think PP total revenue of $1.3b for the same timeframe. I’m not sure if that includes PAC donations. I think PP revenue includes about $500m from the Govt, in grants and subsidies.
https://www.forbes.com/companies/planned-parenthood-federation-of-america/


#522

Exactly.
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#523

Also, the NRA is primarily a lobbying and public relations organization for gun rights. They are not a gun dealer. Planned Parenthood is primarily a service provider, including actually doing abortions. So the comparison is apples and oranges.

Also, I can tell you that they are not a bedfellow of any party. They tend to side with one party only to the extent that party follows the pro-gun agenda. I was personally involved in a political campaign where they sided with the other major party. They do what a lobbying organization should: They are hard-nosed about the agenda they are lobbying about.

You may not like their agenda, that is your right. But lobbying the government is a Constitutionally protected activity and even the critics of the NRA admit they are one of the most effective lobbying groups there is.

Another myth is that they are shills for the gun industry. I have a close friend who has been in that industry for decades. He says to the contrary, the NRA does more telling the industry what to do than the other way around.


#524

I don’t know about “shills,” but the NRA does receive comparatively more funding from the gun manufacturers than from member dues, so It is hard to imagine them telling their biggest donor what to do.


#525

But that is the reality. That’s the kind of power the NRA has. And we are not talking about “their biggest donor.” The industry group is lots of manufacturers, distributors and retail chains. They are all independent of one another. Again, I have this information from a close friend who represents one of those businesses.


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