So let's talk about today's readings 10/14/09

October 14, 2009

Reading 1
Rom 2:1-11

You, O man, are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment.
For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself,
since you, the judge, do the very same things.
We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true.
Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things
and yet do them yourself,
that you will escape the judgment of God?
Or do you hold his priceless kindness, forbearance, and patience
in low esteem, unaware that the kindness of God
would lead you to repentance?
By your stubbornness and impenitent heart,
you are storing up wrath for yourself
for the day of wrath and revelation
of the just judgment of God,
who will repay everyone according to his works,
eternal life to those who seek glory, honor, and immortality
through perseverance in good works,
but wrath and fury to those who selfishly disobey the truth
and obey wickedness.
Yes, affliction and distress will come upon everyone
who does evil, Jew first and then Greek.
But there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone
who does good, Jew first and then Greek.
There is no partiality with God.

Responsorial Psalm
Ps 62:2-3, 6-7, 9

R. (13b) Lord, you give back to everyone according to his works.
Only in God is my soul at rest;
from him comes my salvation.
He only is my rock and my salvation,
my stronghold; I shall not be disturbed at all.
R. Lord, you give back to everyone according to his works.
Only in God be at rest, my soul,
for from him comes my hope.
He only is my rock and my salvation,
my stronghold; I shall not be disturbed.
R. Lord, you give back to everyone according to his works.
Trust in him at all times, O my people!
Pour out your hearts before him;
God is our refuge!
R. Lord, you give back to everyone according to his works.

Gospel
Lk 11:42-46

The Lord said:
“Woe to you Pharisees!
You pay tithes of mint and of rue and of every garden herb,
but you pay no attention to judgment and to love for God.
These you should have done, without overlooking the others.
Woe to you Pharisees!
You love the seat of honor in synagogues
and greetings in marketplaces.
Woe to you!
You are like unseen graves over which people unknowingly walk.” Then one of the scholars of the law said to him in reply,
“Teacher, by saying this you are insulting us too.”
And he said, “Woe also to you scholars of the law!
You impose on people burdens hard to carry,
but you yourselves do not lift one finger to touch them.”

Judging is the hardest thing in the world not to do. People are doing so many bad
things all the time, and they won’t stop or be sorry. Those who don’t believe in sins
are attacked by those who do, by saying “you’re judgemental”. Or how about “narrow-
minded”? Even though Jesus Himself said the road to heaven is narrow. It then
becomes a vicious circle, because saying “you’re judgemental”, is judgemental too.
No way out of this vicious circle but:
“the just judgment of God,
who will repay everyone according to his works” and
“there will be glory, honor, and peace for everyone
who does good”
The only way is to stop looking at what everyone else is doing. Being bothered by
other people’s doings takes our attention off our own faults. If we waste all our time
complaining about what other people do wrong, then who will work on our faults? If
we can work harder on our own faults, then our good example could win others over.

“Pour out your hearts before him;
God is our refuge!”
– Let’s do that first before we pour out our hearts on some poor unsuspecting soul.

"Woe also to you scholars of the law!
You impose on people burdens hard to carry,
but you yourselves do not lift one finger to touch them.”
– Many are the burdens of those who choose sin. Why should we help them?
Let them turn from their sins! Then all will go well for them. We speak harshly
against abortion, the evil of all evils, but do we lift a finger to help a person in the
situation of considering it? We condemn “gay marriage”, these persons are
heavily burdened from a life of sin, but we don’t even know what to do show them
what real love is all about. And how about when someone loses their temper on
these forums? An angry person has a heavy burden to control their temper.
What do we do to help? Why should we help carry someone else’s burden when
it is their responsibility? After all we have our own burdens to carry. But,
“Help carry one another’s burdens, in that way you will fulfill the law of Christ”
(Gal 6:2).

Today is the day of Pope Callistus I, who buried Christian martyrs. He, himself, a
martyr. In his first reading - 'In leading people, never be a dictator, but be an example"
His psalm - “Here I am Lord, I come to do your will.” His gospel -“The greatest among
you must behave as if he were the youngest.”

So what struck you about today’s readings? :bible1::twocents:

You, O man, are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment.
For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself,
since you, the judge, do the very same things.

It seems like he is issuing a condemnation against hypocrisy moreso than judging.

I don’t think most hypocrites are aware of it, and I don’t think you and I are aware
of how we are hypocrites. Supposing our sins are greater in the eyes of God
than more atrocious sins in another who doesn’t know what we know? Who
hasn’t been given knowledge or faith?

For example, supposing one who we accuse as a thief because they have stolen, it
turns out God sees them more innocent than we? Supposing in God’s eyes,
we turn out to be the thief for not providing for that persons basic needs, when we
were instructed to do so in the Word of God?

And what are the burdens of people addicted on drugs, smoking, or drinking?
What can anyone do to help carry those burdens? Isn’t it easier to tell the person
“you need to quit.”

[quote=cheeto1] I don’t think most hypocrites are aware of it, and I don’t think you and I are aware
of how we are hypocrites. Supposing our sins are greater in the eyes of God
than more atrocious sins in another who doesn’t know what we know? Who
hasn’t been given knowledge or faith?

[/quote]

How do we reconcile this with correcting those who are living in sin or are sinning unaware? Obviously, though, correction must be done in love.

For example, supposing one who we accuse as a thief because they have stolen, it
turns out God sees them more innocent than we? Supposing in God’s eyes,
we turn out to be the thief for not providing for that persons basic needs, when we
were instructed to do so in the Word of God?

It seems to me that a person who steals a loaf of bread should be reminded that theft is wrong. However, it seems equally true that every person of means in the city should then be reminded that starving someone to death because of one’s own greed or general lack of concern is wrong.

You, O man, are without excuse, every one of you who passes judgment.
For by the standard by which you judge another you condemn yourself,
since you, the judge, do the very same things.
We know that the judgment of God on those who do such things is true.
Do you suppose, then, you who judge those who engage in such things
and yet do them yourself,
that you will escape the judgment of God?

It seems to me that, if we take what our Savior is saying at face value, this is more about criticizing someone for something that we are doing.

For a simplified example, if you called me a ____ing moron and I called you a ______ing idiot for swearing, that would directly relate to what Jesus said.

He is specifically rebuking the Pharisees for rebuking others for the same exact sins they are guilty of.

I don’t think we actually disagree on what is being said. Pardon me if I sound argumentative. Work is winding down and I have nothing better to do than rant.

Often our laws are skewed to the weathy. Once a poor schmuck gets caught in the legal system, he often can’t get out, just keeps getting mired in deeper and deeper. Often wealthy people can get out of penalties of the law by using money.

I have seen a lot of “criminals” doing work out of the corrections work truck, cleaning out blackberries, creek beds, etc. and they work very hard, they do good work. Yes there is a lot of hypocrisy, mostly from people who have it kind of easy. People rationalized their morality, myself included. Thank Heavens I am a Catholic though, because we must examine ourselves and try to root out our sins.

Yes, everything is harder if you don’t have much money, that’s for sure.
Things seem set up to go easy on the wealthy, and hard on the poor.

There is a strange man with a wild beard that walks around a couple miles from here.
A teenager told me they call him “wolfman” and that he doesn’t have a home, but
lives in “those trees”. The people around are plenty wealthy, so who is responsible
for “wolfman”? Let’s say he stopped coming out of “those trees” and starved in there.
Who is responsible?

You do not sound argumentative to me. I love hearing people’s ideas! :slight_smile:

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