OddBird . . .
I’m not attacking the Real Presence.
I never said or thought you were.
OddBird . . .
If we’re going to play this game, and with all the respect and admiration I have for Hahn, I graduated from Seminary too
Your misding the point.
The point is, that Bithynian said no Protestant . . . etc.
And there are very high caliber Protestants who are now ex-Protestants that DID think this was significant enough to bring up.
Not that you are not well-versed in Greek. (I am not well-versed in Greek, but I trust these men (Hahn, Staples, and Wood).
They have earned my trust.
There may be better arguments to defend the Real Presence in John 6, but I did not intend to post the best argument (that was another equivocation against my post).
It’s not. It’s exactly what I was taught, and then taught myself, in a Protestant theology faculty at a public university. It is difficult to make a good case for a particular significance of trôgein from Koinè Greek, and if we’re going to explain why John 6 makes such a convincing case for the Real Presence, particularly in an apologetical context, it’s better we look elsewhere.
You are making the same mistake I just commented on.
I have no problem with “looking elsewhere”.
But that does not mean this is not a reasonable argument in a Catholic’s defense of the Catholic view of the Bread of Life discourse.
What are you arguing about then ?
I am arguing that the phago/trogo aspect is a reasonable ancillary point to consider, when doing an apologetic on the Catholic view of the Bread of Life Discourse.
And it is a reasonable ancillary point to bring up.
And I will continue to bring it up.
then I’ll say it again, yes, a lot of Greek-wise Protestants around me would smile at trôgein being used as, as @Bithynian put it, “a smoking gun”.
Then I’ll say it again too.
I’ve learned that from them (now ex-Protestants) so they must not be laughing or smiling too hard.