I told my Lutheran friend I’d get back to him when I was finished with my paper on Othello. Answers and links appreciated.
I said Catholics believe that with the fall, we weren’t ontologically changed, more like deformed or diseased. He said Is. 64:6, which in my NAB (yes, I know, the closest thing you can get to heresy with an imprimatur) says:
There is none who calls upon your name
who rouses himself to cling to you
For you have hidden your face from us
and have delivered us up to our guilt.
But his NIV says:
All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
Strange. He used his NIV to argue that we’re ontologically evil, totally depraved.
Question. Why are our translations so different?
Today he gave me Romans 3:12, which in my NAB says:
All have gone astray; all alike are worthless;
there is not one who does good,
there is not even one.
The NIV text is similar.
Question: Was I correct to say that we’re ontologically good but deformed? If not, what is true? If so, how can I prove that?
Also, purgatory. Do you know the analogy where the king invited you to a dinner, so you go, but it took you several weeks to get there and you’re smelly and grimy, and purgatory is like a shower? Anyone know where that analogy is explained more in-depth?
Question: He asked: why did Jesus need to die if all we needed was a shower?
So. What did the crucifixion do? I’ve heard “it takes away original sin” - but from everyone? from the baptized? then why do we still sin? Where can I find an article that explains the difference between “guilt” and “punishment”?
Links to articles, especially church documents, much appreciated.