[quote=thessalonian]In some sense he is right. We are saved by grace. But the grace is not a one time shot when we declare JC PLS. We must respond to the grace and that response manifests itself in works. If the works are not done the grace was rejected, out souls were not strengthed against sin, and eventually we will likely “fall from grace”. The real difference in our theologies is hat he beleives we cannot fall from grace. He is quite wrong.
]4] You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have* fallen** away from grace.
[/list]You can’t fall from what you were not a part of.
Oh it is definatly a semantics issue. He embraces Faith Alone (Yet what he just stated it must be a TRUE FAITH… again no problem with that), but the problem lies with him suggesting that the Catholic church believes in a works salvation system. His belief is very Catholic… this is how I responsded to his post.
I agree, and what you described IS NOT faith alone. Also I never suggested that Works lead to having faith in Jesus Christ… Huge misconception. You like to quote the Counsel of Trent, lets see what they said on this matter:
To reaffirm the difference, the Council of Trent states:
None of those things which precede justification – whether faith or works – merit the grace itself of justification. For, if it be a grace, it is not now by works, otherwise, as the same Apostle says, grace is no more grace.
An atheist can do good works and not have faith. His works will not save him. If the atheist turns and has Faith in the Lord and obeys his commandments (works) for the Lord, then that person has faith and works. A person can have faith in Jesus Christ and be very hypocritical and be in sin and be separated from Our Lord. His faith in Jesus Christ alone will not earn him salvation. Point is Ralph my Catholic beliefs when talking about salvation are very similar to yours.
The most important is to realize that the Catholic Church does not teach that we earn our salvation by our own efforts, although it does teach that we have to work on our salvation. The same apostle who wrote Galatians also wrote Philippians, wherein Paul says, “Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil. 2:12).