Take a close look at these forums and correlate them with the populus at large. It’s nuts. We have threads that will examine sola scriptura or salvation by faith alone in thier most finite detail until the cows come home. We beat up doctrine to depths only the most highly educated theologeans could argue. We are proud of ourselves when we make a good point.
The detail we examine employs language and writings of ancient theologeans; Doctors of the Church, (“Children of the Church” as some prtoestant theologeans might argue). We look at language by Augustine and many other anciient theologeans as well as mordern theologeans such as our relatively recent popes or Martin Luther of John Calvin…on and on and on. We beat these words over each of our respective heads until we bleed.
Confront your next door catholic or protestant neighbor next time they come over at Christmas time with a holiday fruitcake with a greeting such as "what is your opinion of “Sola-Fida” ? I bet you they’ll beg your pardon and ask what team he plays for.
Catholics do not even know the words Sola-Scriptura or Sola-Fida. Protestants do not know who John Calvin is. Catholics do not know they are to believe the doctrines of the magisterium as being infallible on matter of faith and morals. Cathoics will laugh at you if you even suggest it. Just ask Piers Morgan, Vice Presidant Joe Biden or your catholic next door neighbor with the fruitcake.
We debate these issues in these forums as if they are the most pressing things on the minds of fellow catholics. They are not! FELLOW CATHOLICS DO NOT GO TO MASS ON MOST SUNDAYS!! They have no idea where this teaching comes from. They think you are the fruitcake if you press the matter, I know of what I speak. In my circle, I am the fruitcake. I am the fruitcake with nuts. I was much more lovable and loved when I was the life of the party. My friends and family shun me now. I know of what I speak here.
My friends, my family my most beloved friends of other faiths are so removed from the issues we discuss here that I have come to the conclusion that what we discuss here is (Edited) If what we discuss here does not apply to the masses, then what we discuss here amounts to nothing. If all we care to conclude is to win an argument with the other “intellectuals” in the forums then we have won nothing, in or for, Gods Kiingdom.
We are getting nowhere. The catholics you are conversing with on these forums are so deep in thier respective beliefs not much more needs to be said. Also, they represent much less than 1% of your fellow catholics. The protestants you converse with on these forums as equally deep withing thier respective belief systems.
The WORLD is in a much different place. Just ask your friends and family when they come over with the fruitcake. They will look at you as if you are the friutcake.
Mr. Karl Keating, Mr Scott Hahn…Mr. Apologist, do you not realize you are preaching ONLY to the chior? And in doing so you are making the chior believe all our loved ones are on a one way trip to eternal damnation? There is something terribly wrong with this picture. I cannot picture Jesus thinking only the bright will be saved; only inquisitive minds will be saved; only those with enough time to contimplate the matter will be saved. Those who are deeply engaged in this world (working for a living; struggling with life issues, hopelessly seduced by lifes lures, etc etc) are damned.
There’s a disconnect here that we are afraid to confront. Generally speaking I find the people in theses forums to be selfish. I admit to being addicted to coming here and reading the words of you all. Yet I am deeeply dispturbed by the apparent blindness to the fact that what we do here is debate the pious and are oblivious to the REAL world around us. To h*** with them anyway. Right? Only the educated have a chance for eternal bliss.
We condemn our protestant brothers and sisters for preaching sola-fida. Yet we preach only the “wise” are saved. The uneducated catholic (to quote a term…“the 99%”); where do they stand? We do not discuss them. Instead we debate what Augustine meant in Book XX of The City OF God on matters of the end times as if the world cares.
This whole thing is NUTS! Do we really care about our neighbors with the fruitcake? Or do we want to win the argument on Augustines interpretation of the End Times?
Can you tell I am frustrated?