[quote="SaintPatrick333, post:4, topic:290053"]
To solve this argument lets ignore apologetics and just listen to the Church. God gave us the Church to guide us for after His ascension.
Agree. We also need to, "tell it to the Church", and participate in the Church so that understanding is maintained. We need to remember that the term used in the NT Greek, ekklesia refers to a community not an oligarchy and while we certainly rely on the highly learned members of the magisterium and the Pope himself, we must likewise take responsibility ourselves.
Everyone needs to get rid of their pride on both sides and come to the Communion Christ calls us all too.
Amen to this...
Christ created One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. There doesn't need to be tens of thousands of protestant churches with varying beliefs.
Some variance is not a bad thing - witness the various forms of devotion and spirituality even within the Latin Rite Church - and then there are the Eastern Catholic Rites...
They are all wrong. Period.
This is the sort of comment that I spoke of above that is decidedly not helpful. Such statements come off as harsh condemnations and only cause others to "dig in their heels".
The Catechism speaks to the matter in a manner far more charitable - HERE
I'm not saying that people in these churches are condemned or anything of that sort. Simply that Christ gave us a very real physical Church. This is Scriptural as well as historically proven (the Church predates Scriptures as we all know).
Agreed. The Catholic (and EO) Churches are the most biblical in their structure and outlook.
Christ preached unity.
Yes, and while multiple references and passages can be found expressing this desire for unity and in support of the Catholic/EO structural model, few or none can be found to support the "protestant" model.
Tens of thousands of ever splintering, ever bickering churches all claiming they are correct and everyone else is wrong, is not union.
While this statement is correct in it's essentials regarding the lack of doctrinal unity among the various denominations, there again becomes the problem of using a term like "ever bickering". Yes there are some that hold the "we are right and everyone else wrong", but from my experience most seem quite accepting and tolerant of their Christian brothers.
Coming together in the Catholic Church that Christ left for us, taking part in the Sacraments He established to nourish us, and giving ourselves fully to Christ and Church and we can finally start living our faith. Christ calls us to Communion.
He calls us to His Catholic Church. Anything outside of it is outside of what Christ taught. Period. Now there's no more need to argue over this doctrine or that doctrine, Luther said this, Calvin said that. Everyone can do as Christ willed and come together peaceably. No more division. It's up to all of us to restore Christendom:)
Yes, Christ calls us to communion. And that communion must be grounded in Faith and expressed in Love. As such, we must draw each other into communion and not "push" each other around with haughty words and misquotations and other prideful and disingenuous methods.