Sola Scriptura is True

And the Bible never says that all beliefs must be found in it, or that the Bible is the sole authority. The Bible does say that Scripture is God-breathed and profitable, which Catholics fully believe. It does NOT say that it is the ONLY authority, or that God’s word is only found in written form. !

That old excuse has been refuted long ago.

Here is the proper exegesis for this passage:

2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

*Breathed out by God *- Inspired by God authoritative, the words of God, God made this writing happen for a purpose.

*Profitable for teaching, for reproof, correction, training in righteousness *- This is the purpose of scripture. This is what it is good for. Teaching the truth. Rebuking false doctrines. Correcting errors, and training in righeousness. That is everything a christian would need.

*That the man of God may be competent *- Who scripture is meant for and for what purpose. Those who are regenerate believers in God the elect; especially teachers.

*Equipped for EVERY good work *- This is the part where the passage teaches sufficiency of scripture. It is inspired by God so that a child of God can be equipped for EVERY good work that can possibly be done here on earth. If there is any work that can be done that isn;t in scripture then this passage isn’t true. Therefore, one must believe in the sufficiency of scripture if they believe in biblical inerrancy which the Roman Church claims it does.

So the word every is all encompasing and certainly teaches sufficiency.

Also, The table of contents of scripture is found in this passage:

Ephesians 2:20 ESV
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

The prophets and apostles spoke from God. Everything they wrote is canonical. We have all of their writings in the 66 book canon of scripture. That is how we got the bible. The prophets and apostles wrote it under inspiration of the Holy Spirit and the Church received it from them as true. Jesus Christ himself the Word of God is the cornerstone of the Church that is built upon the revelation of the prophets and apostles from God himself. That is why the church is apostolic we have their teachings recorded in scripture. The canon was closed when the last apostle (John) died. The bible is the written word of God and includes everything in it we need for faith and practice.

Your apologists have been refuted.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 ESV
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be competent, equipped for every good work.

You’re overlooking a key word: MAY. If the verse read something like this:

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God will be competent, equipped for every good work.

You would then have a point if the word was ‘will’, but it isn’t. For example, one could say All food is important…that a human being may be healthy. This does not mean that food is the only issue that determines one’s good health or that is important, but it is necessary. In the same way, Scripture is necessary, but not the only thing.

Ephesians 2:20 ESV
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

This verse does not really help you. After all, Catholics would argue that Sacred Tradition is also ‘built on the foundation of the apostles and the prophets’ and this is why, in the Nicene Creed we declare our belief in ‘One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church’. You’ll notice the word Scripture is not used in this verse or any of the surrounding ones.

Your apologists have been refuted.

I am deciding whether that comment was made out of pride, foolishness or both.

If the verse said ‘scripture AND NOTHING ELSE’ then you might be correct.

Remember the Apostles didn’t even HAVE all of scripture - for decades! Were they less equipped to teach, to reprove etc etc etc before John wrote Revelation??? Was HE less equipped before he wrote it? Of course not, the very notion is preposterous.

Ephesians 2:20 ESV
19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone,

The prophets and apostles spoke from God. Everything they wrote is canonical. We have all of their writings in the 66 book canon of scripture. That is how we got the bible. The prophets and apostles wrote it under inspiration of the Holy Spirit and the Church received it from them as true. Jesus Christ himself the Word of God is the cornerstone of the Church that is built upon the revelation of the prophets and apostles from God himself. That is why the church is apostolic we have their teachings recorded in scripture. The canon was closed when the last apostle (John) died. The bible is the written word of God and includes everything in it we need for faith and practice.

But what about the writings of the apostles that are not included in the Bible??? History cannot deny that these men wrote more than what appears in our Bible today.

John, the beloved disciple, even tells us himself in John 21: 25 “There are also many other things that Jesus did, but if these were to be described individually, I do not think the whole world would contain the books that would be written.”

It is very evident that not all the actions of Christ or writings of the apostles are contained within the Bible.

No, my friend, you are very much in error here. What you are doing, if you’ll forgive my directness, is simply espousing more of the same heretical teachings which the immoral and dishonest Reformers espoused, while ignoring or rejecting the Fathers and all the approved Doctors of the Church. My humble suggestion is that you spend more time reading the holy Fathers and Doctors, and less the Reformers, if you are truly sincere about having a proper understanding of Scripture and of the true Christian faith.

Here now, is the proper exegesis (as well historical context) of 2 Timothy 3:16-17:

  1. “Man of God” is a technical term, used only for those with legitimate authority. The reformers and those who follow them have zero authority to interpret Scripture, to teach the Christian faith, or to correct others.

  2. The term “Man of God” is not used even once, either in the Old or the New Testament, to refer to a lay person!

Here’s proof:
biblestudytools.com/OnlineStudyBible/bible.cgi?word=%22MAN+OF+GOD%22&section=0&version=niv&new=1&oq=&NavBook=2ti&NavGo=3&NavCurrentChapter=3

  1. This epistle was written by a celibate apostle to a celibate Catholic bishop. It was not written to Christians in general.

  2. This passage teaches that the Scriptures are inspired and are useful for Catholic bishops in their official capacity as bishops of the one Church. That’s all! It has no relevance whatsoever to Protestantism with its 100% failure rate at proper interpretation.

Now as to the immorality and outright dishonesty of the reformers, you ought to do at least a little historical research into that area also. You might begin with this (but with a word of caution: Denifle can be rather severe at times):

Luther and Lutherdom, Heinrich Denifle, 1917, Cornell University Library (July 8, 2009)
ISBN 1112168176 ISBN 978-1112168178

Contents:
scribd.com/doc/15808674/Luther-and-Lutherdom-H-Denifle-Contents

Forward:
scribd.com/doc/15764913/Luther-and-Lutherdom-Heinrich-Denifle-Forward-to-the-Second-Edition

Introduction:
scribd.com/doc/16071007/Luther-and-Lutherdom-H-Denifle-Introduction-pp-128

And don’t get me wrong. I’m not saying Luther didn’t have some good and praiseworthy aspects - he did! But his and the other Reformer’s immorality ought to be addressed, and not covered up. I would just ask you to please keep that in mind.

God bless.

When Timothy wrote this book, is it possible that he was referring to what we know as the Old Testament today, as the bible as is compiled today did not exist at the moment? If so, then timothy was not relating to the New Testament, or at least not all of it… If so then your point is that the Old Testament is all we needed or at least up until when he wrote his own books. l am inclined to think that inaccurate…

My point exactly…

The word may, meaning if you read it.

The word every does teach that EVERY good workk that can be done is found in scripture. That means everything you need to know in the matter of faith and practice is in there.

The apostles spoke from God just like the prophets. Peter records that scripture would be left behind so that the church could remember their teachings. The scriptures are what make the church apostolic as all of the apostles have passed on and the scriptures is the only place to hear their authoritative teachings.

There aren’t any writings by a prophet or apostle that isn’t in the bible. The Jews and the CHurch received all of them and held them as scripture.

Evidence, please.

1 Peter 2:9 ESV
9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.

Every believer is a priest with access directly to God.

Ephesians 1:5 ESV
5 he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will,

Every believer is a child of God therefore they are people of God.

It is true that Timothy was a presbyter and he was a Man of God charged with guiding the flock by the word. He was not a ROman Catholic bishop though. It is true that all children of God are people of God and scripture is just as true for them as it is for Timothy.

If one is an ordained minister of the Word it is his responsibility to teach the word faithfully. The Reformation is a result of Roman priests not being faithful to what teh word says.

2 Timothy 2:15 ESV
15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth.

There aren’t any writings by a prophet or apostle that isn’t in the bible. The Jews and the CHurch received all of them and held them as scripture.

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Oh ouch. First, at the end of the 1st century, the Jewish people (partly in order to deal with the ‘Christian problem’) rejected some of the Scriptures of the Old Testament (what we Catholics called the Deuterocanonicals such as Esther and Tobit). So ‘the Jews’ already started rejecting some writings of the prophets as scripture.

Further, there are gospels and teachings out there written by the apostles and prophets (the Didache first and foremost) which are accepted as true and authentic writings of the apostles, but NOT ‘inspired’. IOW, there are writings that, while they do not contradict Scripture, are not in the same ‘God-breathed’ category AS Scripture. . .

Your argument is incorrect.

2 Peter 1:12-15 ESV
12 Therefore I intend always to remind you of these qualities, though you know them and are established in the truth that you have. 13 I think it right, as long as I am in this body, to stir you up by way of reminder, 14 since I know that the putting off of my body will be soon, as our Lord Jesus Christ made clear to me. 15 And I will make every effort so that after my departure you may be able at any time to recall these things.

Here Peter is saying he is about to die and he will leave us a way to recall his teachings.

2 Peter 1:16-18 ESV
16 For we did not follow cleverly devised myths when we made known to you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but we were eyewitnesses of his majesty. 17 For when he received honor and glory from God the Father, and the voice was borne to him by the Majestic Glory, “This is my beloved Son, with whom I am well pleased,” 18 we ourselves heard this very voice borne from heaven, for we were with him on the holy mountain.

Here Peter is assuring you he is an eyewitness, therefore his word is true.

2 Peter 1:19 ESV
19 And we have something more sure, the prophetic word, to which you will do well to pay attention as to a lamp shining in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts,

Here Peter claims the apostles have the same prophetic word as the Prophets, which is building up his case that he is qualified to author scripture because the Holy Spirit inspires him.

2 Peter 1:20-21
20 knowing this first of all, that no prophecy of Scripture comes from someone’s own interpretation. 21 For no prophecy was ever produced by the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

Here Peter says that he isn’t the one that is the true author of the things he writes but the Holy Spirit. He clearly says that no prophecy of scripture was man made. It was written by God through them.

Thus Peter clearly teaches that after he dies (all the apostles) the Church will have scripture as the apostolic authority.

No. The apocrypha was not written by prophets as it was all written after the time of Ezra Nehemia in which the Jews assure us that prophecy stopped. The apocrypha is interesting but not inspired scripture from God.

The Didache was not written, dictated, or blessed as true by an apostle of Christ. It is not scripture. We have 27 actual apostolic books in the New Testament. We have 39 books written, dictated, or blessed as true by an actual prophet of God in the Old Testament. These are held to be authoritative by traditional Jews and Christians alike.

No. It is clear from the text of the New Testament that apostolic writings were being received as scripture while the apostles were still on earth. That’s why they were being written. Peter says the writings of Paul were scripture.

2 Peter 3:15-16 ESV
15 And count the patience of our Lord as salvation, just as our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, 16 as he does in all his letters when he speaks in them of these matters. There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.

Here Peter clearly says thhat the writings of Paul are scripture and warns people not to twist them which is a clear indication that they were being studied in detail as scriputre even in apostolic times.

The apocrypha was not written by prophets as it was all written after the time of Ezra Nehemia in which the Jews assure us that prophecy stopped.

Here Peter claims the apostles have the same prophetic word as the Prophets, which is building up his case that he is qualified to author scripture because the Holy Spirit inspires him.

So, who is correct? St. Peter, or the Jews who would disinherit him from the traditions of the Prophets?

You can’t have it both ways, and your argument only works if these “scriptures” were written AFTER the Bible was compiled by the Church. When St. Paul told Timothy that “all scripture is inspired,” he was not referring to his Apostolic letters as Scripture. To be consistent with your argument, we would have to disallow the entire NT because none of it was “scripture” until 300 years after the last NT letters were written and the Apostles were long gone.

This argument is patently absurd, and Protestants with any sense of intellectual honesty do not use it anymore. They know better.

Actually what is absurd is the notion that anyone who wasn’t a prophet or an apostle can have the same binding authority on a conscience as their inspired writings.

Pauls writings were called scripture by Peter in the New Testament as stated above. Peter nowhere says that the apocrypha is scripture. No one does. The prophets and apostles teachings are the foundation of the Church because they are truth from God. Prophets and Apostles are God’s spokespeople.

Do you have a source that the Catholic Church has officially adopted this exegesis? If not, it is simply your own personal interpretation of the passage.

Only two of the passages given are from the New Testament and both are from Paul’s letters to Timothy. What does a Doctor of the Church have to say about the expression “man of God”?

“But thou, O man of God.”
This is a title of great dignity. For we are all men of God, but the righteous peculiarly so, not by right of creation only, but by that of appropriation. If then thou art a “man of God,” seek not superfluous things, which lead thee not to God, but
“Flee these things, and follow after righteousness.”

John Chrysostom, Homilies on First Timothy, Number 17 Chapter 6, Verse 11
ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf113.v.iii.xviii.html

Chrysostom is telling his congregation that they are all men of God. He does not limit the expression to bishops.

How does the same Doctor of the Church explain the passage in 2 Timothy 3:16-17?

“All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.” All what Scripture? all that sacred writing, he means, of which I was speaking. This is said of what he was discoursing of; about which he said, “From a child you have known the holy Scriptures.” All such, then, “is given by inspiration of God”; therefore, he means, do not doubt; and it is “profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”

“For doctrine.” For thence we shall know, whether we ought to learn or to be ignorant of anything. And thence we may disprove what is false, thence we may be corrected and brought to a right mind, may be comforted and consoled, and if anything is deficient, we may have it added to us.

“That the man of God may be perfect.” For this is the exhortation of the Scripture given, that the man of God may be rendered perfect by it; without this therefore he cannot be perfect. You have the Scriptures, he says, in place of me. If you would learn anything, you may learn it from them. And if he thus wrote to Timothy, who was filled with the Spirit, how much more to us!

“Thoroughly furnished unto all good works”; not merely taking part in them, he means, but “thoroughly furnished.”

John Chrysostom, Homilies on Second Timothy, Number 9, Chapter 3, Verses 16-17
ccel.org/ccel/schaff/npnf113.v.iv.ix.html

Notice again that Chrysostom is telling his entire audience that the passage applies to them. He tells them that Paul is saying they have the Scriptures instead of him and that they can learn anything from them.

Elsewhere Chrysostom has more to say on the sufficiency and perspicuity of Scriptures

What do I come in for, you say, if I do not hear some one discoursing? This is the ruin and destruction of all. For what need of a person to discourse? This necessity arises from our sloth. Wherefore any necessity for a homily? All things are clear and open that are in the divine Scriptures; the necessary things are all plain.

John Chrysostom, Homilies on Second Thessalonians, 3, v. 5
newadvent.org/fathers/23053.htm

In this he echoes another Doctor of the Church

Chapter 9.CHow We Should Proceed in Studying Scripture.
14. In all these books those who fear God and are of a meek and pious disposition seek the will of God. And in pursuing this search the first rule to be observed is, as I said, to know these books, if not yet with the understanding, still to read them so as to commit them to memory, or at least so as not to remain wholly ignorant of them. Next, those matters that are plainly laid down in them, whether rules of life or rules of faith, are to be searched into more carefully and more diligently; and the more of these a man discovers, the more capacious does his understanding become. For among the things that are plainly laid down in Scripture are to be found all matters that concern faith and the manner of life,-to wit, hope and love, of which I have spoken in the previous book. After this, when we have made ourselves to a certain extent familiar with the language of Scripture, we may proceed to open up and investigate the obscure passages, and in doing so draw examples from the plainer expressions to throw light upon the more obscure, and use the evidence of passages about which there is no doubt to remove all hesitation in regard to the doubtful passages. And in this matter memory counts for a great deal; but if the memory be defective, no rules can supply the want.

Augustine, On Christian Doctrine, Book 2, Chapter 9, Paragraph 14
newadvent.org/fathers/12022.htm

Now these Doctors also refer to tradition, but it does not take away from their statements that all the necessary things are clear from Scripture, which is what Sola Scriptura says.

The passage has reference to all. And with respect to a 100% failure rate by Protestant interpretation, that would not say much for Catholic interpretation because on a great many things the two sides agree.

The word for breathed out is exspired. Breathed in is inspired.

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