Ok, I now see that SS seems to take more faith without substance than I ever realized. I never realized all the things I had to dismiss in order to come to believe it:
I acknowledged that the ECF writings - even pre-canon - were suspiciously Catholic. The Bible is a record (inspired) of Apostolic Tradition. Catholic teaching hasn’t changed much aside from the evolution of its doctrines.
In thinking about the Bible-Only, I came up with these questions, that from a non-C point of view, I am left w/out answers:
1)How can a church that shows signs of falling into the errors of Catholicism be the avenue through which God would inspire the Bible to be compiled?
2) Regarding those small groups of faithful that were outside the CC all those years:
What did they do pre-Catholic-canon?
3) Did they rely on oral transmission of Apostolic Tradition?
4) Did they never record it?
5) If they did, where was their Bible?
6) Where was their voice when the CC compiled a canon?
7) Did they speak out about the mis-compilation?
8)Or did they compile their own in answer to the mass errors of the CC in effort to keep the future church in all truth?
9) IOW - where is the record of their efforts to keep their church from falling into error?
10) Did the Catholic canon just coincidentally jive with their own?
11) Why did they ever accept the Catholic Canon?
12) Biblically, can you prove that Apostolic Tradition ended with the written works of the Bible?
I believed that the Bible came to be b/c it was God’s will. Period. Nevermind that a church that at that time already had seeds of many Catholic beliefs decided its canon. I’d maintain that it was God that decided its canon and could have used anyone at all to do it. But this is an admission that the HS worked through the CC, and WHY would God use an apostate-church to handle the compilation of His Revelation to us? Why not, then, accept the Pof GP or the NWT? So what if the churches they came from were in error, right? Ok, more questions:
***Why, in 1500 years of the CC introducing heretical doctrines, were Scripture-reading clergy not protesting? There should have been MASSIVE protestations to the introduction of these doctrines that were unbiblical. Why was there 1500 years of unanimous approval if it wasn’t already commonly-held doctrine? ***Those quiet little flocks carring on the truth outside the CC - where was their light? Why weren’t they going out unto all the earth to proclaim the REAL gospel?
I could admittedly accept that:
History looked Catholic.The saints were holy. There are innumerable miracles in the CC. The ECFs give testimony to their Catholicity. Even my own, past, Catholic spiritual experiences were positive ones. Yet I insisted that they were all wrong because I saw “contradictions” to ALL OF THEM in the Bible. None of them was legit as long as the Bible said something different. IOW - I have to prefer my own understanding of Scripture over many, absolutely valid and logical evidences of the authenticity of the CC. What makes more sense? That history, fruit, miracles and even personal experience are all wrong or that my understanding of Scripture is flawed? :hmmm: I will hold my breath while you think about it.
The miracles part has always somewhat stumped me, and I know we aren’t supposed to base our faith on such things (which I certainly dont) but it left a very big problem in my mind:
If the miracles aren’t from God, and there are other, apostate churches in the world, then why does the Catholic Church seemingly have the most miracles attributed to it? Because it is the MOST demonicly-influenced? :eek: Then why, also, such good fruit? (Assisi, Mother Theresa, etc.) It has to be either or. It cannot be both Godly and at the same time Demonic.
Also, if I will deny the miracles, then I could easily have been one who denied Christ as He walked the earth and performed miracles. If I am willing to accept the divine origins of Jesus and His ministry through the apostles on part b/c of miracles, then why would I dismiss current-day miracles as a testimony of the divine origins of His church?
In the end, from a ss outlook, I am left with too many “what ifs” regarding history, miracles, etc… The ss mindset betrays all logic. I’d have to believe I can dismiss the obvious b/c “the Bible says” when in fact in order to even be able to claim “the Bible says” I cannot dismiss the obvious…
That was my circular reasoning and the flaw with it.
Dawn shines on marblehead (once again:o)
Please pray I maintain this understanding so I can get on with my faith! Every few months I’ve run to confession after getting some little light on things, knowing I had “enough” faith to come back, and w/in days or weeks I’d leave again. Need prayers for perseverance!
Thanks! And Bless Your Efforts!