Something good may come out of evil eventually . . . re purity


#1

It struck me as I was pondering about the internet, about things that have been posted on the CAF forums, and resources I've seen to help men with pornography addiction, that one good thing may come out in the end.

It is the following - and it could apply just as well to women who need to be more modest, or may even look at impure materials themselves - and to anyone doing impure acts. Here's what hit me :newidea:

When I was a child, around the time Vatican II was going on and the years following, at first in catechesis I got the traditional values taught to me. I went to CCD and we had the Baltimore Catechism and in high school the Fr. Cogan Catechism for Adults. But throughout those years, the culture was sneering at "purity."

Now things have gotten so bad that even in the culture in general we see things like a billboard that says "Virgin is not a dirty word" and such.

And now men with Internet or other types of impurity addictions are starting to try to overcome them, and the word "purity" is having positive connotations again. It's a step in the right direction.:thumbsup:

*St. Maria Goretti, patron saint against pornography, please intercede and pray for individuals and our society to recognize the need to repent of this evil and eliminate it. * :gopray:


#2

It's been less than a month. I want to bump this once and see if I get any takers this time around!:bounce:

Aren't there any old fogeys or fogeyettes like me who grew up during the time when the word "purity" would have been untouched with the proverbial ten-foot pole, and now people are actually using it proudly in polite society?

Doesn't anyone else think this is a totally awesome development?:extrahappy:


#3

I haven't seen the new positive connotation with "purity". The general public dismisses the idea as quaint, if not misguided, and the new norm is shacking up. I mean living together; I mean cohabitate...


#4

I think there is some swing back toward purity, but we have such a long way to go...Most people who have heard of kids taking purity pledges think they are crazy or freaks for doing such a thing, after all, sex is normal and good for you, right?

:(


#5

I am like the other posters. I have not noticed much of a swing toward purity. If it is true, I will be a trend setter, for once. :)


#6

It is an uphill battle, that's true. But when I was a teenager in the 70s, you dared not even utter the word. And that made me regard it as quaint in my own mind, too, even though I did believe in being pure.

I'm just saying it's heartwarming to see grown men with a porn addiction going to purity support groups and websites, and the idea being talked about with teens again openly. Even if they reject it now, they may embrace it later. *The seed is being planted. *

As an English major and sometime writer, I am aware of the power of words a lot. Words spoken or written have power to do evil and wound - verbal abuse, gossip, name-calling, cussing, and so on. Bad stuff.

But just as powerful, and often overlooked, is the power of a good word that has fallen into disuse. This is a sin of omission in a sense. :sad_yes: Think about totalitarian regimes where the word "freedom" might get you thrown into prison or killed. So after awhile people learn not to speak it. :(

They have kids, their kids go to school, they never hear the word spoken. They grow up and have kids of their own. Pretty soon you have whole generations that are lacking something that they don't even realize they lack. If they ever suddenly gained the thing itself, they'd have to be taught what it was.

And so it is with the word "purity." I'm glad it's being pulled out of the attic of political correctness and moral relativism, dusted off, and given new life. God will multiply our efforts in spreading the message, and we must continue to do good and not be discouraged, jaded, or cynical. That's what the Devil wants to see happen. We do what we can and leave the rest to God.:thumbsup:

**“We are moving toward a dictatorship of relativism* which does not recognize anything as definitive and has as its highest value one's own ego and one's own desires... The church needs to withstand the tides of trends and the latest novelties.... We must become mature in this adult faith, we must guide the flock of Christ to this faith.” -- Pope Benedict XVI*


#7

The word "chastity" seems even more antique and quaint than "purity." I love both of those words and use them as often as I can.


#8

[quote="TheRealJuliane, post:7, topic:220743"]
The word "chastity" seems even more antique and quaint than "purity." I love both of those words and use them as often as I can.

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:thumbsup: Good for you!

To paraphrase an old Helen Reddy song - picture this:

We are pure and chaste, hear us roar . . . in numbers too big to ignore . . .:whistle:


#9

I pray you're right about the possible swing toward more purity/chastity these days. I haven't seen much of it myself, though. I also wonder whether the fact that some men are now attempting to join groups to give up pornography use is primarily because their wives and girlfriends have "caught" them in the habit and they're now just trying to save their marriages or relationships (not a bad goal, of course, if they truly desire to change). But society still condones and often embraces extreme sexual freedom, so it feels like there's a real long way to go.

Just flipping through the tv channel offerings is quite depressing.... even for prime time, early, so-called "family" shows. And the commercials are as bad or worse!
Guess we all have to keep praying and doing everything we possibly can to help bring about a swing in the opposite direction....


#10

It's going to take time, and be an uphill struggle, to actually take society out of the depths to which it has sunk.

But what I'm focusing on is this one little skirmish, these victories in certain battles which are part of the greater war - namely, that the words purity and chastity are once again being spoken, where for a long time they weren't.

I also rejoice that there are places for those who struggle with the sins of impurity and want to change to get help. Before, we had nothing. I see that as another victory. And even if these guys (and sometimes gals - like teens especially) start the journey from getting caught, that doesn't mean they might not make it to the ultimate goal.

Most recovering alcoholics or drug addicts who are now sober, for instance, ended up stopping and getting help because they either "hit bottom" or realize that they're going to very soon.

And don't forget the story of the Prodigal Son! All it took was for him to realize the basic truth of his situation, turn towards home with humility, and his father ran out to meet him while he was still far off!

There is more rejoicing in Heaven over the one lost sheep than over the 99! Let's rejoice together! :extrahappy: :heaven:


#11

[quote="bmaj, post:9, topic:220743"]
[S]ociety still condones and often embraces extreme sexual freedom, so it feels like there's a real long way to go.

Just flipping through the tv channel offerings is quite depressing.... even for prime time, early, so-called "family" shows. And the commercials are as bad or worse!
Guess we all have to keep praying and doing everything we possibly can to help bring about a swing in the opposite direction....

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I agree about TV. I have not had it in the house for about 5 years (DVD player and VCR still play kid shows in endless loops though). I saw a commercial in a hotel during a business trip that made me turn the channel and blush.

I also found that some of my more mainstream colleagues feel the same way, but didn't realize that they could avoid such commercials. They assume that commercials on broadcast TV (not late night cable) are just part of the scenery and might be ignored, but not actively avoided. I agree with the OP, purity may not dominate popular culture, but there is an increasing space for it.


#12

[quote="Barish, post:11, topic:220743"]
I agree about TV. I have not had it in the house for about 5 years (DVD player and VCR still play kid shows in endless loops though). I saw a commercial in a hotel during a business trip that made me turn the channel and blush.

I also found that some of my more mainstream colleagues feel the same way, but didn't realize that they could avoid such commercials. They assume that commercials on broadcast TV (not late night cable) are just part of the scenery and might be ignored, but not actively avoided. I agree with the OP, purity may not dominate popular culture, but there is an increasing space for it.

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They could get a TiVo - or else just use the mute button.:rolleyes: What I do is, I keep a book handy, or a puzzle, or something, and when commercials come on I mute the TV and read a page or two or solve a clue or two, then flip the sound back on when the commercial's over. That way my eyes and ears are both occupied - and I'm not just twiddling my thumbs.

Or sometimes I take the opportunity to get up and pop some corn.:popcorn:


#13

Hi! My name is Ronnie Hannosh, and I am the creator of this website which is aimed to help people join a network with others in the battle for purity...

www.puritywarriors.com, Check it out! I hope you join and its a great resource for support, hopefully it can get popular, Please let people know about it, if you like it that is.

God Bless you! :)


#14

The name of your website, "Purity Warriors," is a perfect example of what I had in mind in starting this thread. It is the idea that those who strive for purity are not dorky, repressed, uncool wimps, but rather strong, together, warriors who dare to be countercultural.:thumbsup:

Wishing you success in your venture - and a question - is it open to males and females of all ages?


#15

It is open to ANYONE :slight_smile: Its completely free, there are many males and females on the website, You should join! :slight_smile:


#16

If you check out the Women of Grace episodes on EWTN that Johnette did on Evangelization especially #582 -- it is not so much about purity but one of the point that is made is that sometimes people who have had some of "more rough" histories and been Graced enough to come back have a strong story to share through evangelization. this particular episode was a woman that had participated in New Age and had lost her brother to suicide before coming back to the Church.

I can see this as I was pretty much an agnostic for a while - now through a very painful journey I am going through formation for the SFO as well as a Masters degree in Pastoral Studies.

So yes something can come out of evil eventually - but the caveats are only with God's Grace for that person to make it back and only when we have the Grace to properly use these gifts for God's purpose not our own.

God bless everyone and Merry Christmas.


#17

[quote="joandarc2008, post:16, topic:220743"]
If you check out the Women of Grace episodes on EWTN that Johnette did on Evangelization especially #582 -- it is not so much about purity but one of the point that is made is that sometimes people who have had some of "more rough" histories and been Graced enough to come back have a strong story to share through evangelization. this particular episode was a woman that had participated in New Age and had lost her brother to suicide before coming back to the Church.

I can see this as I was pretty much an agnostic for a while - now through a very painful journey I am going through formation for the SFO as well as a Masters degree in Pastoral Studies.

So yes something can come out of evil eventually - but the caveats are only with God's Grace for that person to make it back and only when we have the Grace to properly use these gifts for God's purpose not our own.

God bless everyone and Merry Christmas.

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Looking back, I sort of wished I'd worded the title of this thread better. If one reads it too literally it almost sounds like I'm saying that the evil brings about the good. As you point out, Joan, and as I goofed up on, it is God's grace that allows us to turn from evil and do good.:thumbsup:


#18

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