Sr. Rosalind Moss


#1

Can anyone update me on her activities? I was sort of following along for awhile, and last I heard she had started her brand new order and was seeking a place to establish a home. I just recently read that she had changed her mind and entered a different order already established. Is this true? If so, why did she abandon the idea of her own order?

Any links you can provide would be gratefully appreciated. I can't listen to anything though, due to computer, but anything written would be fine.

Thanks and God bless~
Mary


#2

Sister Rosalind Moss did not 'change her mind' about her new community. She spent a year's novitiate with the Visitation Sisters in Tyringham, Massachusetts, and returned to St. Louis in the summer [June? July?].

After her return, she fell and broke her pelvis,and had to wait until that was healed up before doing anything further.

There is a long-standing thread on her community that's here in the Vocations forum. Check it out....


#3

Also, unless something has changed, I understand that the proposed new order has already been offered a property in St Louis.

Peace
James


#4

Thank you, Barb, for the information. “changed her mind” were the words I saw, so I was concerned…this is how rumors get started. I took the time to search for the thread you mentioned; I’m so sorry to hear about her injury! Hopefully, it won’t keep her down long.

God bless~


#5

[quote="MEPayne, post:4, topic:220804"]
Thank you, Barb, for the information. "changed her mind" were the words I saw, so I was concerned...this is how rumors get started. I took the time to search for the thread you mentioned; I'm so sorry to hear about her injury! Hopefully, it won't keep her down long.

God bless~

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Hey, no problem, ME! Glad to help! :D That's what we're all here for at CAF!


#6

Even though Archbishop Burke invited her to the Archdiocese of St. Louis, the new community was never established before he left for Rome. She spent a year in the Visitation Sisters in Tyingham, MA to experience formation so that she could live the Salesian charismand form others in the charism .

When she returned to St. Louis, after several months she received notification that Archbishop Carlson denied her petition to begin the community in St. Louis. November 13th, 2010 there was a "Moving Sale" at the convent where she had been living. As yet she does not know where she is going according to a friend who was there at the sale and asked her. Please pray that if it be God's will that door swill open to another diocese where she can establish the new community.


#7

[quote="eremeta, post:6, topic:220804"]
Even though Archbishop Burke invited her to the Archdiocese of St. Louis, the new community was never established before he left for Rome. She spent a year in the Visitation Sisters in Tyingham, MA to experience formation so that she could live the Salesian charismand form others in the charism .

When she returned to St. Louis, after several months she received notification that Archbishop Carlson denied her petition to begin the community in St. Louis. November 13th, 2010 there was a "Moving Sale" at the convent where she had been living. As yet she does not know where she is going according to a friend who was there at the sale and asked her. Please pray that if it be God's will that door swill open to another diocese where she can establish the new community.

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Thank you for that clarification and update.

In many cases of starting an order that I have heard/read of it seems there have been these kinds of problems.

May it please God to see Sr Moss through this trial and to establish her and her community where it is most needed.

Peace
James


#8

Kansas City, Independence, Sugar Creek, and Blue Summit, MO all have lots of nice, old buildings that would make great convents. Kansas City and neighboring Independence and Sugar Creek were shaped by Catholic founders, not the least being Father Donnelly who brought in Irish farmers to flatten Kansas City's improbable hills and founded schools and communities. Blue Summit, an unincorporated town on the eastern edge of Kansas City (as are Independence and Sugar Creek) has a lovely Jewish heritage although this community overlapped into Kansas City, both having large Jewish cemeteries.

Most of all, the Mormon-ized town of Independence needs to have it's spiritual ears pinned back and Sister Rosalind Moss and friends would be just the people to do it. I pray to the Good Lord that Sister Rosalind Moss brings her convent and sisters to tabernacle in the eastern Kansas City metro area and thrives to shelter countless souls in the very arms of our Creator. St. Louis is just too close to the largest earthquake fault in the USA, Cape Girardeau, soon to be the site of Missouri's latest casino...ugh. Most High, please effortlessly and fruitfully establish Sister Rosalind Moss and friends in the eastern Kansas City metro area, all for Your honor and glory. AMEN


#9

That's terrible news about Sister Rosalind being denied permission to start her community in St. Louis! What was Archbishop Carlson's reason for doing so?

Well, I hope that she find a new home in Missouri---heck, I wish she'd come to the Northeastern US! We sure need 'real nuns' up here!

Where will she live in the meantime?


#10

We all need to pray that a Bishop will be open to her. She cannot just begin a community without a Bishop asking her. She has to be asked by the Bishop to do so. In the meantime, she will eventually have to find a place to live. I was told she is living in a convent with 21 bedrooms because she thought there would be a large number of sisters entering.

There are no other sisters, so that is a blessing. It will be easier for her to find a place for herself than with other sisters. But in the meantime, she is living at this convent.

Your prayers are needed, please.


#11

Thanks for the additional updates everyone! It's unfortunate that she has to go through a bishop to establish her order.. I mean, I'm not saying women should be priests, but there should be more independance than that! Do they think women are going to run around establishing crazy orders without the supervision of men? Oy.

In any case, I'll be praying for her. Sounds like Missouri would be a wonderful place.


#12

[quote="MEPayne, post:11, topic:220804"]
Thanks for the additional updates everyone! It's unfortunate that she has to go through a bishop to establish her order.. I mean, I'm not saying women should be priests, but there should be more independance than that! Do they think women are going to run around establishing crazy orders without the supervision of men? Oy.

In any case, I'll be praying for her. Sounds like Missouri would be a wonderful place.

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I believe that the same process would apply to a male religious order. I am confident that she will land on her feet!


#13

[quote="MEPayne, post:11, topic:220804"]
Thanks for the additional updates everyone! It's unfortunate that she has to go through a bishop to establish her order.. I mean, I'm not saying women should be priests, but there should be more independance than that! Do they think women are going to run around establishing crazy orders without the supervision of men? Oy.

In any case, I'll be praying for her. Sounds like Missouri would be a wonderful place.

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The need for approval is not "gender based". The new order needs the approval of The Church which means the approval of the Bishop where the order is established. The sme is true for male orders of religious as well.

Peace
James


#14

[quote="MEPayne, post:11, topic:220804"]
It's unfortunate that she has to go through a bishop to establish her order.. I mean, I'm not saying women should be priests, but there should be more independance than that!

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I think there are times - both historically, and sometimes in the present - when the church has not granted enough independence to women in ministry. But this isn't one of them. All religious communities, both the new and the well-established and male or female, need episcopal permission to establish a house within a diocese. (Canon 609 §1 of the 1983 Code, if anyone is interested).

[quote="MEPayne, post:11, topic:220804"]
Do they think women are going to run around establishing crazy orders without the supervision of men? Oy.

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I think there is a fear that people generally might do crazy things without proper supervision, yes. (And I think that's a well-founded fear, for what its worth!). Setting up a religious house is complex, an entire religious institute much more so, and the necessary permissions required are there to ensure that its done in a safe and practical way.

It's quite possible that a bishop could be entirely sympathetic to a proposed religious house but simply be aware that it does not meet the needs of his own diocese. It is also possible that a community which sounds great on paper actually has a lot of issues to iron out before it could become a reality. Sometimes the issues relate to replication of work already being carried out, sometimes too many resources are being asked for and the community is not adequately self-sufficient, sometimes the charism and apostolate are underdeveloped.

The bishop has to continue to oversee the life of the community if it is of diocesan - as would Sr Rosalind's community be - rather than of pontifical right; and he would need to be confident that it was robust enough to be able to survive. Stating the very obvious, many foundations struggle to have all of the necessary elements in place.

I say all of that entirely without predudice to the situation regarding Sr Rosalind's vision of religious life, about which I know nothing other than what I have read on these pages. But I'm pretty sure no bishop would capriciously turn down a community that met the needs of his diocese. What possible reason could he have for doing so? :shrug: When Sr Rosalind's community meets the needs of a particular bishop or bishops, I'm sure they will be delighted to invite her to their territory.

[quote="MEPayne, post:11, topic:220804"]
In any case, I'll be praying for her.

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Indeed, and we can also pray for all other foundations and developing charisms that will benefit the church in the world, that they will find all of the resources they need to do God's work.


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