SSPX a parallel Church, complete with its own religious communities

Why would these religious communities have a need to be under the auspices of the SSPX, when sacraments are licitly and readily available from priests of the local diocese or those at least in good standing with the Holy See in Rome?

Benedictine monks of Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery, Silver City, NM sspx.org/Vocations/benedictines_in_the_usa.htm

Discalced Carmelite Nuns of Holy Trinity Convent, Spokane, WA sspx.org/Vocations/carmelites_in_the_usa.htm

Dominican teaching sisters, Convent of Saint Dominic, Post Falls, ID sspx.org/Vocations/dominicans_in_the_usa.htm

Franciscan teaching sisters, Convent of Christ the King, Kansas City, MO sspx.org/Vocations/franciscans_in_the_usa.htm

Its sad you know, as we could certainly use them to counter the liberals here on peters rock, if only they knew how duped they are. Don’t they know that ALL of their sacramental confessions are in fact INVALID in the eyes of the Church when administered by an SSPX priest? Apparently they do not. :crying:

Maybe we should contact these communities and tell them we would seriously consider a vocation with them if they were in good standing with the local diocese and Holy See.

Here is the full list of them at the SSPX website sspx.org/vocations_index.htm

[quote=Catholic29]Why would these religious communities have a need to be under the auspices of the SSPX, when sacraments are licitly and readily available from priests of the local diocese or those at least in good standing with the Holy See in Rome?

Benedictine monks of Our Lady of Guadalupe Monastery, Silver City, NM sspx.org/Vocations/benedictines_in_the_usa.htm

Discalced Carmelite Nuns of Holy Trinity Convent, Spokane, WA sspx.org/Vocations/carmelites_in_the_usa.htm

Dominican teaching sisters, Convent of Saint Dominic, Post Falls, ID sspx.org/Vocations/dominicans_in_the_usa.htm

Franciscan teaching sisters, Convent of Christ the King, Kansas City, MO sspx.org/Vocations/franciscans_in_the_usa.htm

Its sad you know, as we could certainly use them to counter the liberals here on peters rock, if only they knew how duped they are. Don’t they know that ALL of their sacramental confessions are in fact INVALID in the eyes of the Church when administered by an SSPX priest? Apparently they do not. :crying:

Maybe we should contact these communities and tell them we would seriously consider a vocation with them if they were in good standing with the local diocese and Holy See.

Here is the full list of them at the SSPX website sspx.org/vocations_index.htm
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I notice from the websites that the Sisters are all in full traditional habits. Don’t see much of that anymore. In fact I just finished some research and found that most orders that have maintained the use of the traditional habits are considered behind the times, and not to have complied with Vatican II directives concerning modernization within the orders. It also appears that the Sisters pictured actually reside in a monastic setting. Don’t see a whole lot of that anymore either… From what I have learned, from their orders own documents is that most Sisters nowadays live in small two or three person groups in private homes and apartments. In fact the only places where they have substantial numbers of sisters residing under one roof is usually in the orders retirement homes. Of course this does not apply to all orders, but most of them

There is a very interesting book called Sisters in Crisis, very good reading. I reccomend it to anyone who has any interest in female religious orders what happened to them and their future. If there is one…

[quote=palmas85]I notice from the websites that the Sisters are all in full traditional habits. Don’t see much of that anymore. In fact I just finished some research and found that most orders that have maintained the use of the traditional habits are considered behind the times, and not to have complied with Vatican II directives concerning modernization within the orders. It also appears that the Sisters pictured actually reside in a monastic setting. Don’t see a whole lot of that anymore either… From what I have learned, from their orders own documents is that most Sisters nowadays live in small two or three person groups in private homes and apartments. In fact the only places where they have substantial numbers of sisters residing under one roof is usually in the orders retirement homes. Of course this does not apply to all orders, but most of them

There is a very interesting book called Sisters in Crisis, very good reading. I reccomend it to anyone who has any interest in female religious orders what happened to them and their future. If there is one…
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Just to clarify, you mean Sisters who are in communion (good standing) with the Pope? As those affiliated with the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) are not.

And contrary to popular belief, no Vatican II document ever abolished the wearing of a full habit to conform with modern times, it only provided Sisters with options.

There are still a few communities in union with Rome who wear the full habit, and are in a monastic setting. Though Sisters in general are an endangered species, yet those few orders with habits are growing in small numbers in contrast to the broader Catholic Sisterhood.

Here are sites for some of them
cmswr.org/member_communities_cmswr.htm
religiouslife.com/
cloisters.tripod.com/

[quote=Catholic29]Just to clarify, you mean Sisters who are in communion (good standing) with the Pope? As those affiliated with the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) are not.

And contrary to popular belief, no Vatican II document ever abolished the wearing of a full habit to conform with modern times, it only provided Sisters with options.

There are still a few communities in union with Rome who wear the full habit, and are in a monastic setting. Though Sisters in general are an endangered species, yet those few orders with habits are growing in small numbers in contrast to the broader Catholic Sisterhood.

Here are sites for some of them
cmswr.org/member_communities_cmswr.htm
religiouslife.com/
cloisters.tripod.com/
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I am well aware that no document ever mandated it. It afforded options and the sisters took them. Quite correct. However, in most cases they completely exceeded anything Vatican II anticipated with their headlong leap into revolution. Are you aware that there are sisterhoods that have been laizcised to the point they don’t attend Mass anymore to protest the non-ordination of women? And that in many cases they no longer live in a communal setting, rather living in small groups or with a partner, who is sometimes not even another religious? Strange stuff, religious orders not attending Mass or living in common. .

I also do know that those orders that still do wear the full habit are frowned upon as not being in full accord with Vatican II and accused of resisting modernization. I have a cousin in one of those. :slight_smile: Of additional interest is that the traditional orders are basically the only ones that are growing as well .Most Catholic sisterhoods have stagnated for years and really have no hope of recovering. Maybe if they returned to Traditional ways there would be a difference, who knows.

Many of the things we see in the church today were only “options” in VII. We see now how things have gotten out of control to the point where the very things that make us catholic have fallen into obscurity. But the traditional religious orders and parishes are growing. We have a traditional parish near where I live and the amount of people there is staggering. We have an indult mass 8 am on Sundays, and the amount of people there rival those at the 10am NO. Peolple are hungry for our traditions. Pray this continues.

S

Slewi,

Re: Many of the things we see in the church today were only “options” in VII.

Can you be specific about “options?”

Carole

Sorry, I should have said “vague innovations” rather than options. The document Sancrosanctum Concilium was the document that they used as a guide for “restoring” the mass.

For instance:
36. 1. Particular law remaining in force, the use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.

That somehow was interpreted as saying “the use of the Latin language is NOT to be preserved in the Latin rites”

I don’t have time right now, but I will continue this for you.
S

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