SSPX ATTACK Pope Benedict

I get my info from an official SSPX page Here.The Society of Saint Pius X professes filial devotion and loyalty to Pope Benedict XVI, the Successor of Saint Peter and the Vicar of Christ.

The priests of the SSPX pray for the intentions of the Holy Father and the welfare of the local Ordinary at every Mass they celebrate.
Looks safe sofar!

This is the main page concerning their take on the new Pope:In the name of the Priestly Society of Saint Pius X, His Excellency Bishop Fellay, Superior General, welcomes the accession of Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger to the Sovereign Pontificate. He sees there a gleam of hope that we may find a way out of the profound crisis which is shaking the Catholic Church…
So they recognize him but they dont. He is the Sovereign Pontiff, but the chances he will “fix” anything are slim. Also an intro to the original context above …interesting.

I was reading this article (titled What Catholics Need to Know) on the page written on Nov 10 '04 and here is a line from it:The generation of the Council is dying, if I may say so. The youngest experts who participated in the Council are Cardinals Medina and Ratzinger, born in 1927. They were not even bishops at the time, but Cardinal Medina is retired and Cardinal Ratzinger is over 75. **In three more years, they will all be out of governing positions in the Curia.
**Im not sure who Cardinal Medina is, but Im pretty sure the other guy is still in a governing position!

And dont forget this from the same article:Cardinal Ratzinger has explained that the concept of the Church up until Pius XII was that it was the Mystical Body of Christ. He says that today, however, this concept does not fit with the reality. Why would he say this? —Because for someone to either be a member of this Body or not be a member of this Body does not fit with reality as Cardinal Ratzinger perceives it. He and those who perceive the same reality as he does want to invent a gray zone. So, you may wonder, what is between a “member” and a “non-member”? Precisely to invent an answer to this question is why, after World War II, especially German theologians intensively researched the Holy Scriptures to find a new concept, and Cardinal Ratzinger said they found “the people of God.” So that is why you find this label at the Council. “People of God” is a new concept which replaces the traditional concept of membership in the Church. It means broadening the borders, allowing more people in, or maybe even removing the walls so that you no longer know who is in or who is out. They destroy the borders, destroy what is clear: that is what they do.
Interesting, this sounds like the same kind of talk they directed at our last Pope.
Continuing on in the article:
Cardinal Ratzinger has repeated what Urs von Balthasar said: “The urgency of the moment is to raze the bastions of the Faith.” A bastion is a fortress, a place of defense, so for Balthasar and Ratzinger, the “urgency of the moment” is to dismantle these protections, the defenses of the Faith.
How can these guy even pretend to be in union with Pope Benedict? Brood of Vipers.

And more:
So when Rome comes to us with a big smile, that is their ulterior motive. That is, we grant you a place, but you must stay very quiet there and not move. So we come to them and we say, “Well, we are sorry, but there is no zoo.” The Catholic Church is not a zoo.
Is this really talk from people who profess to be subject to the Supreme Pontiff?

More of the same:
So, things are absolutely not ripe for an agreement. We must first help correct Rome’s thinking to show them that what they do is wrong. On the Society’s part regarding ecumenism, it seems Cardinal Ratzinger has said to somebody, “But how do you want us to attack Bishop Fellay? He only quotes the Councils!” For all our defense we rely on what the Church has always taught, so we are unbeatable on that level, because it is not we, it is the Church.
This is no different that the apostacy talks I hear from Protestants. They are very clear what they think about Rome and the Pope. The make the Pope look silly and undermine him all the time.
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Here is more of what they think of the Pope:
Two days after the beatifications, a very important document of the Vatican was issued by Cardinal Ratzinger, the declaration Dominus JesusThe Lord Jesus.
…we see that Fr. Ratzinger had taken a very active role to introduce the words “subsistit in” and rewrite a very important definition of the Catholic Church.
…Cardinal Ratzinger has cut down the cockle but left the roots in the earth. Instead of pulling out the roots or using poison to kill the roots, he left them in the earth. And so everything will come forth once again.
So here the Pope back in the day was undermining the Church and infact didnt want to solve any problems.
A second point in this declaration which it is important to note is that Cardinal Ratzinger says the Churches which have …, a valid Eucharist, and an apostolic succession (and he is thinking especially of the Orthodox here) are “true partial Churches.” Now, what is a partial Church? —A partial Church is the localized Catholic Church in a diocese, with its bishop, its clergy, and its flock of faithful. So we have the Catholic Church in Chicago, or in Kansas City; or we have the Catholic Church in Milan, Italy, or the Church in Cologne. These are local Churches. But you cannot compare those local Churches with the Orthodox Church; you cannot compare the Orthodox Church as if it were a true partial Church. That’s absurd, because the Orthodox, even if they have a valid Eucharist and a valid priesthood and apostolic succession, they have this apostolic succession only materially, not formally, because they are not linked to the Pope. Moreover, they do not recognize quite a lot of dogmas. … especially, they do not recognize the primacy of the Pope. They are schismatics and even, to a certain point, heretics. How can they then be a “partial Church”? To say that they are is absolutely irrational.
This level of hypocrisy is unheard of in Protestant circles, primarily because these guys supposedly know better. Are they honestly that blind that they dont see what they are saying?
The worst of the three points in Dominus Jesus is a statement taken directly from the Second Vatican Council teaching that the Holy Ghost has deigned these other denominations to be “ways of salvation.” Now, once again, we do not deny the fact that there is baptism of desire. We do not deny that people in other denominations can be saved. But what we deny with all vigor and strength is that they are saved —if they are saved —by these other religions. …

This makes things very clear, because nobody can be saved without our Lord Jesus Christ and the Church He has instituted, the means He has instituted and wanted for our salvation. How can you argue against God, who has given us these means, saying “Well, I will choose my own means”? Cardinal Ratzinger quotes the decree about Ecumenism of the Second Vatican Council in Dominus Jesus, which is very bad and absolutely false!
Nothing but wolves in sheeps clothing. Just as confused and as interested as many Anti-Catholic Protestants in OPENLY tearing down the true Church.

Is it just me or does “filial devotion and loyalty to Pope Benedict” not mean what we think it means?

Here is a Apostolic Letter by JPII written in 1988 which officially excommunicates these guys.

This is the problem with groups like the SSPX on the Radical Traditionalist side and the CTA and VOTF on the Radical Modernist side. They talk out of both sides of their mouth. They say they are faithful to the Church and then they go an do their own thing since they think the Church.

PF

[quote=WanderAimlessly]This is the problem with groups like the SSPX on the Radical Traditionalist side and the CTA and VOTF on the Radical Modernist side. They talk out of both sides of their mouth. They say they are faithful to the Church and then they go an do their own thing since they think the Church.

PF
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True. Most heresies or schisms are founded on the notion that one can be “more right” or “more holy” than the Church, “more Catholic than the Pope.”

As my wife is fond of saying: “The cafeteria line for Catholics forms both to the left and the right.”

Hey,

Not that I have much to contribute, but it’s interesting that just a couple days ago I learned that there are mixed feelings in the SSPX about Bishop Fillay (sp?) meeting with Pope Benedict XVI.

Supposedly they’re meeting and will discuss some things. This may end up in a “split” down party lines in the SSPX.

[quote=aridite]As my wife is fond of saying: “The cafeteria line for Catholics forms both to the left and the right.”
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That is so true. There is a rule that I have discovered about this though:
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*]Radical Traditionalists: Elevate discipline to doctrine. (i.e. The Mass)
*]Radical Modernists: Lower doctrine to discipline (i.e. All Male Priesthood)
[/list]PF

[quote=WanderAimlessly]Radical Traditionalists: Elevate discipline to doctrine. (i.e. The Mass)
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*]Radical Modernists: Lower doctrine to discipline (i.e. All Male Priesthood)
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[/list]That is a good rule of thumb. I will have to remember it!

That is a good rule of thumb. I am going to have to remember it.

it’s a sad state of affairs. while i sympathize w/ some of the issues voiced by SSPX, i cannot accept the incessant, subtle dissent from him, whom they profess a fillial devotion – H.H. Benedictt XVI.

[quote=WanderAimlessly]This is the problem with groups like the SSPX on the Radical Traditionalist side and the CTA and VOTF on the Radical Modernist side. They talk out of both sides of their mouth. They say they are faithful to the Church and then they go an do their own thing since they think the Church.

PF
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So whats CTA and VOTF?

True. Most heresies or schisms are founded on the notion that one can be “more right” or “more holy” than the Church, “more Catholic than the Pope.”

Thats kind of funny, they do act more Catholic than the Pope, thats a good one Ill have to remember.

We shouldn’t be shocked when the SSPX attack Pope Benedict XVI. As someone stated earlier, they are a brood of vipers. Snakes bite…that’ s what they do.

I love the line about cafeteria lines forming to the right and the left. I’m looking forward to using that line.

God Bless,

Cleopa

[quote=Catholic Dude]Thats kind of funny, they do act more Catholic than the Pope, thats a good one Ill have to remember.
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So you know…“More Catholic than the Pope” is actually the title of a Pat Madrid book, which covers this topic.

God Bless,
RyanL

[quote=RyanL]So you know…“More Catholic than the Pope” is actually the title of a Pat Madrid book, which covers this topic.
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I have read the book and did find it interesting. However, if only focused on one small part of the dissention in the Church. More needs to be written on all aspects on both sides of the spectrum.

PF

[quote=Catholic Dude]So whats CTA and VOTF?
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CTA stand for Call To Action and VOTF stands for Voice of the “Faithful”. Both of them are radical modernist groups that want to “protestantize” the Church. They are for things like local election of Bishops and parish control of hiring and firing of the Priests. They are also pro-Woman ordination, pro-Contraception, and so forth.

PF

[quote=WanderAimlessly]CTA stand for Call To Action and VOTF stands for Voice of the “Faithful”. Both of them are radical modernist groups that want to “protestantize” the Church. They are for things like local election of Bishops and parish control of hiring and firing of the Priests. They are also pro-Woman ordination, pro-Contraception, and so forth.

PF
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**I hope those people were excommunicated too. Otherwise, that wouldn’t be fair for SSPX and it would only strengthen their cause.:eek: **

[quote=aridite]As my wife is fond of saying: “The cafeteria line for Catholics forms both to the left and the right.”
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**Hmmm… What about us in the middle? :hmmm: **

[quote=WanderAimlessly]CTA stand for Call To Action and VOTF stands for Voice of the “Faithful”. Both of them are radical modernist groups that want to “protestantize” the Church. They are for things like local election of Bishops and parish control of hiring and firing of the Priests. They are also pro-Woman ordination, pro-Contraception, and so forth.

PF
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local election of Bishops

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*]very traditional - Roman control of all episcopal elections was unknown until the 1820, IIRC.
[/list]disagreeing with trusteeism is not primarily a matter of doctrine - it’s a matter of how in fact the CC was finally structured in the States

I’d be interested to see the evidence for the (not infrequent statements) that VOTF favours ordination of women & and contraception. Until VOTF is declared schismatic by those with authority to do so, I don’t think we can call them that; because we are not bishops :slight_smile: ##

[quote=RyanL]So you know…“More Catholic than the Pope” is actually the title of a Pat Madrid book, which covers this topic.

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Litterally in french it’s also a very popular expression that means exagerating in the way of vertue.

[quote=Roman_Army]**Hmmm… What about us in the middle? :hmmm: **
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We don’t pick and choose from the cafeteria line, at all. Truth is a packaged deal – roughage and all. It takes humility to stick with the Magisterium’s menu. Virtus in medio stat.

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