SSPX Bishop speaks to Young Catholics

Speaking to Young Traditional Catholics preparing for confirmation.

youtube.com/watch?v=55aX_ovrg_o&mode=related&search=

Any thoughts?

I sympathize with them. I do not agree with all the reforms of the Mass, but I won’t cause a schism over it. I do believe that the NO Mass, needs to have more Gregorian Elements put back in, but one said reverently is good for me.

If he’d restricted himself to saying that the modern church has downplayed the role of the Mass as a propitiatory sacrifice he would have made a good and valid point.

To say it’s totally denied it, as he does, is going too far. After all, the words of Institution still do contain the phrase ‘this is my body, which will be given up for you’ and ‘this is the cup of my blood … it will be shed for you … for the forgiveness of sins’. That’s the essence of propitiatory sacrifice right there.

And there are at least a few other points in the NO Mass in which references are made, for example, to ‘the Victim whose death has reconciled us to yourself’. And the word ‘sacrifice’ itself is used at least a couple of times.

Otherwise, in terms of the explanation of the Sacrament itself, it sounds quite a bit like the speech my old Bishop used to make. He wasn’t a great speechifier so, since I sang in the choir for confirmation for a few years in a row I got to hear it many times over :smiley:

Madam Lily, do you also believe that NO needs some Greogrian Elements put back in that were taken out?

Well, it would certainly be the better off in a lot of ways if they were added back in - some of the prayers in Latin, appropriate liturgical music and such.

But I’ve seen it happen in one of my own local parishes, which has done so over the last few months, that people actually left in droves, which is disheartening :frowning: But then living in the middle of the big city I guess there ain’t a lot of traditional Catholics around :nope:

Thoughts? I like his accent.

I will refrain from comments about his homily. :stuck_out_tongue:

Edit: Okay. Couldn’t help myself. I like his point about saying the “Sacrifice of the Mass.” I have never heard that from a priest outside of my parish.

I regret I could not get the link to work. I he said what you say, that would be a rather silly thing to say. What diocese is he a bishop of, BTW?

He is a SSPX Bishop. In his care are multiple parishes of the SSPX in many diocese.

The confirmation was in Veneta, Oregon - by a French (possibly Swiss?) SSPX Bishop by the name of Bernard Tissier de Mallerais. Hence the cute accent.

In the video Bishop De Mallerais is using a prosessional cross in place of the traditional crosier Latin-rite bishops have used. A break from tradition perhaps? Or was he using the crucifix as a teaching symbol for Christ’s shedding of blood on the cross?

He’s certainly is in the mind that the Novus Ordo Mass is protestant or modernist, or at best lacking in grace. In any case he’s trying his best to maintain the anti-Vatican II/Novus Ordo rebellion for yet another generation.

Not being the bishop of the diocese, is the confirmation valid? Licit?

As far as the sacrament itself - assuming the ordination of the Bishop was valid, then so is the confirmation.

As for his not being bishop of the diocese - there are situations where certain parishes or communities DON’T have their confirmations done by the local Bishop.

My own confirmation, was done in a parish which served the Croatian community of my (Australian) town. The priests were actually, as I understand it, under the direction of their Archbishop back in Croatia, so he himself would come over every few years to do the confirmations for us.

Valid - 100% Yes.

Licit - Perhaps not. But the Bishop of the diocese is not required to be the one confirming people.

Valid, perhaps. But with a very overarching homily directed in opposition to the Novus Ordo Mass, didn’t seem very Catholic to me.

I’d disagree that their is 100% surity. Here’s a quote from one thread on the subject:

My confirmation through the SSPX was ruled invalid. I had to make a Profession of Faith in order to receive the Sacraments.

Also, Jimmy Akin did a piece on this awhile ago:
jimmyakin.typepad.com/defensor_fidei/2006/02/schism_confirma.html

Bishop Tissier is definitly not making heretical statements. He and Bishop Fellay are the ones organizing the reconciliation with Rome. Its Bishop Williamson and the other one that you need to watch out for.

His Excellency’s statements were towards the modernists. In no way does he actually believe that all NO Masses lack the theology of sacrifice. In fact…SSPX priests who believe that are kicked out.

These schismatic-schismatics (lol) are the ones who formed the SSPV.

That’s why he said, and I quote, ‘the new mass does not express the sacrifice of propitiation’. :confused: How is that not a blanket statement against the NO rather than just against modernism?

I love it too especially when he says “and so on and so forth” right at the begining whe he talks about excommunication.

It sounded like “souannsofoth”

I just read Jimmy’s article.

1) Does a schismatic **bishop** administer Confirmation validly, even if illicitly, when there is no danger of death?

Yes. Bishops can always confirm validly, regardless of whether they are in the Catholic Church or not. Bishops are the ordinary ministers of this sacrament and so they do not need to have faculties delegated to them in order to perform it validly. The ability to do this sacrament is one of the powers that is conferred on a bishop in his ordination.

Bold mine.

I can say, with 100% certainty, that the confirmations were valid.

I believe you were thinking of priests when you were concerned about if it was valid or not.

I believe you were thinking of priests when you were concerned about if it was valid or not

Mea culpa, you are correct. I read the Akin article correctly I just missed that you were talking specifically about a Confirmation by bishop. I thought you were talking about the SSPX Confirmations in general. I imagine that since there are so few bishops that they are quite often done by priests which is sad.

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