SSPX "not exactly a schism" and Motu News

Taken from Rorate Caeli.

This is an interview with Cardinal Castrillón (President of the Ecclesia Dei Commission) This is translated from German so if the English seems fragmented, that is why.

Castrillón speaks: “The Holy Father will extend the permission”

What is the current challenge in “Ecclesia Dei”?

We take care of those who did not wish to follow Archbishop Lefebvre --** which is not exactly a schism** [sic]. With our jurisdiction in the name of the Pope, we have established institutes in France and Germany and we have incardinated the returning clergy. We must follow the life of this clergy and of these communities, the fraternities of Saint Peter [sic].

What about those who remain with Lefebvre?

The Saint Pius X associations are in a process of reinsertion [original text is unclear: “Están las asociaciones San Pío X, para su proceso de reinserción”]: with permanent visits and a correspondence which asks for the ancient rite. They are 500 priests and 600 thousand faithful, a growing number, with monasteries and seminaries, some of them full. [sic]

The rite of the Mass today gathers the faithful around the altar, inculturating itself in their reality and language. Will the rite of Saint Pius X, with the priest with his back to the faithful and prayed in Latin, return?

The great love of Christ is the Eucharist, it is not fair that it divide us. The Mass of Saint Pius V was celebrated for more than a thousand years. It was never forbidden. [sic] Even if I do not understand the words, it is not as if I understand much more when I say “This is my Body” and see a piece of bread: only the Faith makes me believe in the present Christ. The Holy Father will extend the permission for this celebration, which is not in opposition to the one of today.

Is it not a step backwards?

I celebrate it nowadays, and, in the first part, in which I make the homily, I am looking at the faithful, who are my brethren, whom I must teach; afterwards,** I represent the faithful: let us now [turn] towards God, there is our goal, to give praise to God, and we are all together. It is not a step backwards, it is preserving an asset without opposing it to another.**

To make the Mass attractive and joyful to the youth of this culture of the image, there have been initiatives such as the “Disco Mass”, and dances of erotic origin were seen in Africa. Is [the Traditional Mass] a solution to stop these abuses?

It is an element, not “the solution”. The new liturgy has not been “the solution”. Were our churches fuller or emptier before? They have been emptied! It is true that not only due to this, but the Mass becomes one among several other rites of the world, and to strike what is sacred is a grave matter. The meaning of “Sacrifice” was forgotten. The Eucharist carries [us] to the Resurrection, but through Passion and Death. It is a feast of the spirit, for our redemption. The most important for Jesus was not eating with Him, but eating Him.

Share with us…one hope…

… Hope? To keep working to welcome with an embrace these 500 priests of Lefebvre, in the unity of Faith and love which Jesus Christ gave us.

Interesting words! Take them for what you will, I suppose.

great news looks like :thumbsup:

It will be great news if it happens. I look forward to reading that the the Holy Father “did” and not “will”.


By the way, is there a link to your article?

Rorate Caeli, the blog:

Original article:

:slight_smile: Hey!

Say, guys, I don’t know German so can’t comment on the German-to-English translation, but!

The translation from Spanish to English is right on!:smiley:

The verbal structure indicates a state of “right here and now.” :wink:

So, who knows?

In a number of faxes we sent out in March 2003, including one to Bishop Gregory and the Bishop of Lincoln, Nebraska, we suggested that the American bishops, given the probability of a future agreement between Rome and the SSPX, be given the right to judge each priest from the SSPX on the basis of his individual merits.

And not just give the SSPX priest blanket permission to run aimlessly loose in his diocese, subject to no supervison or control.

Hopefully, thiis would include both mandatory misdemeanor and felony records checks, whether here or abroad.

Failure to do otherwise could quite possiby lead to a Diocesan insurance liability carrier’s worst nightmare.

In the “good 'ole days” of the early 1980’s, such indivduals in the SSPX were simply moved around from Europe to America and then on to some obscure French possession in the far Pacific.


Really fantastic news!: :wink:

Keep up this really great work, Unfinished, o.k.?


It is an element, not “the solution”. The new liturgy has not been “the solution”. Were our churches fuller or emptier before? They have been emptied! It is true that not only due to this, but the Mass becomes one among several other rites of the world, and to strike what is sacred is a grave matter. The meaning of “Sacrifice” was forgotten.

Fascinating! I really think this cardinal understands the situation. What clarity.


I like this Cardinal.

Gonna go pray for the intentions of the Holy Father AND Ecclesia Dei now.

Unfortunitly, a good number of folks won’t acknowledge His Emminance’s words which I’ve posted even before this recent acknowledgment. The word “pride” comes to mind.

Ah, yes, the so called “orthododox” catholics.

Cardinal Hoyos already explained that the SSPX is separated from the Church. SSPX supporters don’t mention that part. He now says that it’s “not exactly a schism” – e.g. Formally. But they’re schismatic in nature – they’re separated.

That’s why even Bp. Fellay talks about a reconciliation. The SSPX is not in union with the Holy See and there is a great deal of danger in that position.

If there’s no schism, then the SSPX should submit to the authority of Rome. There’d be no need for reconciliation. The SSPX bishops are not permitted to act independent of Rome. Under the 1917 code of Canon Law they’d be schismatic.

Under the post-Vatican II Code of Canon Law they’re “not exactly in schism”, supposedly.

Maybe this is double-speak, maybe it isn’t. There is a big difference between a separation and a divorce, after all.

True, but in both cases duties, vows and children are often neglected and suffer the consequences. The divorce or separation of a priest from the Holy Church is dangerously close to being separated from Christ Himself since he is bound to Christ by a vow and lives in a marriage to the Church.

It would be more understandable if the SSPX made it more clear why they are separated and what they’d require for reconciliation.

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