[quote=Sir Knight]It is not YOUR place to do battle with the underworld UNLESS it is in self defense. Going aganist Satan and his army on behalf of someone else can only be successfully done by a priest with the OFFICIAL backing of the Catholic church behind him. Which is why a priest will not perform an exorcism unless it is first approved by his Bishop. Without that approval, he is just a weak & sinful human going off to do battle with a super powerful immortal but with his bishop’s approval, he is confronting the underworld with the authority of the church established by the Son of God Himself – a BIG difference … and even then, victory is a huge struggle.
Hi Sir Knight and I thank you too also for replying and helping me to understand a little more about prayers. SORRY ABOUT THIS LONG REPLY, but I hope you can shed more light or am hoping others who have the time to read this thread, can help.
Self Defense as you say is what I was refering to. (see my previous post to mosher time 04:39, I used the term “if you are under personal attack”)
I propose 2 distinct stitauions. If we can use the analogy mosher used of a dog representing a demon then here are the possibilities. (see mosher 04:13 previous note)
- Bad Dog is watching to see what you are doing
- Bad Dog is barking at you, preventing you from doing good works
- Bad Dog is biting you and won’t let go (attempting possession)
- Bad Dog is watching your brother
- Bad Dog is barking at the brother
- Bad Dog is biting *brother * and won’t let him (ie is possessed)
Under situation A, this is what we may call self defense. I call it a personal attack, same thing to me, just different terminology. As you say, you have every right to defend yourself. I agree with you. In A1, where the dog is watching you, (I believe they always are watching and waiting for an opportunity to pounce), the short form of prayer to St. Michael or other prayers (Rosary, litanies etc) are great. Now an imprecatory prayer should be allowed in the case where the dog is barking at you, Situation A2. This is a more serious situation with different degrees of severity. I fail to see why, (rather I fail to understand why), the LONG prayer of St. Michael cannot be used or even a portion of it because it is yourself who is under attack. Why can’t I use the imprecatory prayer **“Behold the Sign of the Cross, Begone Ye Enemy Powers, the Lion of the Tribe of Judah, the Root of David has conquered all, Alleluia”. ** Now, in the case where the Dog is biting you, which is I think is very rare, you don’t even have time to recite the LONG prayer to St. Michael. You have to be quick. In that case you need to call on the name of Jesus or use the sign of the cross, immediately.
NOW Situation B is a whole different ball game because you are a third party. Here you have to very careful what you do especially if you are not a priest (and I am not a priest or even a deacon or even a religious). For me, imprecatory prayers should not be used unless proper authorization is obtained.
But as I said in a post to hurst, I need to know exactly what imprecatory prayer is.** So in effect, I don’t know what I am talking about. ** As I understand it, the St. Anthony’s Blessing/brief is an imprecatory prayer because it directly talks to the demon and is kind of like a command. BTW, the brief/blessing is in the LONG form of prayer to St. Michael. I have to do more research. Ciao for now as I am signing off and God Bless.