a second response…
White: let me say something right up front: I would love to debate Bob Sungenis on Calvinism. I really would. I haven’t the first qualm about it, since it has been made painfully obvious, in our past interactions, that such would be a wonderfully clear contrast between a very man-centered religion and the glorious grace of God. In fact, I am almost certain that no one on the CA forums board has ever read this exchange from a while back (note some segments of this exceeded 200k in size!). But once again, the issue is whether by so doing you are assisting the people of God, indulging your own ego, or inadvertently helping to keep another false teacher and his “ministry” afloat.
R. Sungenis: Funny, these concerns were never brought up in our past debates, nor has White brought them up concerning anyone else he has debated. Why, all of a sudden, is “inadvertently helping to keep another false teacher” such a concern for White? Apparently, it’s just another excuse he’s dreamed up. We’re at six excuses now, and still counting.
For the record, CAI shows no signs of struggling, and White has no proof to the contrary. We have more patrons now than we did before, and our website gets about 10,000 hits per day. So in reality, we have just another smoke screen from White. He said it himself, he is, indeed, “indulging [his] own ego.” We got it right from the horses mouth.
White: I do not trust Bob Sungenis. His credibility is shot with me, and with anyone else who has followed his tortured path to his present position,
R. Sungenis: Trust?? What has trust have to do with debating someone? I’m not asking White to be my friend; I’m not asking him for money; I’m not giving him stock tips. Trust has nothing to do with it. In fact, debate opponents enter the forum with a mutual mistrust for one another. I certainly don’t trust White, especially when he resorts to the personal attacks he has lowered himself to in this and many other letters. Why would I trust someone who resorts to character assassination rather than public debating? Someone please tell White to stop making silly excuses, unless, of course, he gets some satisfaction out of making himself transparent.
White: and truly, what is accomplished by vindicating Reformed theology against someone who was once with Harold Camping, and once a Presbyterian, and once a member of the International Churches of Christ, and now off on his own in the rad/trad camp somewhere, who may well be who knows where next year?
R. Sungenis: Funny, my associations with various groups was never an issue in White’s five past agreements to debate with me. So why is it an issue now? Because White is running out of excuses, and thus he has to resort to trying to make me look like a fringe nut case. In other words, character assassination is White’s MO. We’re at seven, and counting.
In reality, all White’s complaints do is confirm in our minds that Protestantism is a labyrinth of treacherous roads that pulls its victims this way and that way until they find safe haven in the true Church of Christ, of which I have been a faithful member for 12 years.
White: Far better to find a meaningful Roman Catholic apologist who remains in the mainstream to debate the issue, not as a part of the Great Debate Series (there is not a wide enough interest for those on Long Island to invest so heavily upon it), but at a local church (still to be video taped and made available, of course). And in fact, discussions are on-going on that very subject right now. I do find it odd that none of these folks give the first evidence of even being aware of the debates I have done on this subject, nor the books written. Just another example of how these folks come to their conclusions.
R. Sungenis: Who knows, or who cares, what White is talking about here. I guess this is just another means to get us sidetracked off of the real issue.
White: There is one other reason to ignore Sungenis’ challenges: read his site! The phrase “playground bully” comes to mind. “Debate me or I will call you a chicken and throw a temper tantrum!” Please!
R. Sungenis: We call White a “chicken” because he acts like one. He boasts about all his debates, claiming that he has won every time; he sells his debates in tape, CD and even MP3. He makes a living off of debating. Yet when asked to debate, even before CAI’s ministry changed to a more traditional apostolate, White declined to debate us. After half a dozen refusals (at the same time White was accepting and arranging debates with other less qualified individuals), we could only come to one conclusion: White is fearful of debating us. If I’m wrong, then White has just one way of disproving me. Eight, and counting.