The Catholic Church holds that
"Man, having been wounded in his nature by original sin, is subject to error and inclined to evil in exercising his freedom." (CCC 1714)
Calvinists, like myself, hold that man is completely sinful. The word we use is “Depraved.” This belief is that there is nothing good about a natural person (in the divine sense), that there is nothing they can do to honor god, nor anything they can do towards their own salvation. In short, they stand condemned and there is nothing they can do about it
The scripture we use to support our position is:
“There is no one righteous, not even one; there is no one who understands, no one who seeks god” (Romans 3:10-11)
“you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your sinful nature” (Col. 2:13)
“All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.” (Isaiah 64:6)
“Remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.”(Ephesians 2:12)
“the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so.” (Romans 8:7)
"If God places no trust in his holy ones,
if even the heavens are not pure in his eyes,
how much less man, who is vile and corrupt,
who drinks up evil like water! " (Job 15:15-16)
“The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.”
(1 Cor 2:14)
and on and on and on, I could list at least another 10, but you get the point.
I do not know how the Catholics support their idea of a “wounded” nature, opposed to “depraved,” so I am looking for someone to try and prove the point.
I wish to limit this discussion just to the nature of man before salvation, not how someone is saved, not Apostolic Succession, or Sola Scriptura, or anything else. Specifically, I wish to address the nature of man in his natural state. Scripture seems emphatically to state that man can do nothing to save himself, but that every step along the way is a miracle of God.
"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."
PLEASE do not discuss election, atonement, resistibility of grace, or perseverance, each of these will have its own thread in the following days, I intend to work all the way through TULIP, but for those unfamiliar with the five points, or who wish to gear up for coming debates, the points are:
T - Total Depravity
U - Undeserved Election
L - Limited Atonement
I - Irresistible Grace
P - Perseverance of the Saints
Please keep your answers based in scripture, even if you feel the need to dabble in tradition BASED in scripture, and please stay on topic.