The Angel of Death

This is going to be a short thread, but I’m curious about which of the Angels is the one given authority over death by God? A couple other questions are if this is a fallen angel that God still uses or one still loyal to God.

The last question is more of an asumption of what would be the purpose of this Angel when we have all as a race reached our final judgement?

Some Scripture passages that speak of the destroying angel/s:
Ex 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to slay the Egyptians; and when he sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not allow the destroyer to enter your houses to slay you.

1 Chronicles 21:15 And God sent the angel to Jerusalem to destroy it; but when he was about to destroy it, the LORD saw, and he repented of the evil; and he said to the destroying angel, “It is enough; now stay your hand.”

Psalm 78:49 He let loose on them his fierce anger, wrath, indignation, and distress, a company of destroying angels

My thoughts are that it is the fallen angels - Satan and/or the others who rebelled against God. It is God who restrains their malevolent actions towards us, but there are times when He allows them to exercise it. Read for example
Job 1:6-12 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them…
9 Then Satan answered the LORD, “Does Job fear God for nought?
10. Hast thou not put a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? Thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land.
11 But put forth thy hand now, and touch all that he has, and he will curse thee to thy face.”
12 And the LORD said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power; only upon himself do not put forth your hand.” So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.

A couple other questions are if this is a fallen angel that God still uses or one still loyal to God.

Probably. I know there are saints who have personally had to confront Satan – not because they sought contact with the devil or because of some personal sin of theirs.

Consider also those who experience demonic possession. That is usually a result of the person freely choosing to draw too near to Satan thru occult involvement, and God sometimes allows them to experience the one/s whom they have chosen.

The last question is more of an asumption of what would be the purpose of this Angel when we have all as a race reached our final judgement?

They will be confined permanently to hell and will not be able to torment in any way those who are in heaven with God.

Some traditional understanding states that Saint Michael the Archangel will be the one who will receive souls at death and carry them to Jesus. There are some who believe he will be participating in the judging somehow which is why you often see him depicted with a set of scales in his hand. In addition, there are some traditions which believe that he will offer the soul one last chance of repentance at the moment of death.

Some of this information can be found here: newadvent.org/cathen/10275b.htm

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Wait a minute there’s passages here which don’t make any sense and I truly hope aren’t in the old testament in the first place. The lord slays the Egyptians? how if he’s pure spirit that’s just nonsense. He needs to see stains on a door otherwise he doesn’t know which ones are which? Onniscience? lost it all of a sudden?

God was about to destroy Jerusalem then repents and stops the angel. what he repents and hence is not infallible?? Not just that but is capable of evil??? WHAT?

Now I’m beginning to know why people say they’re atheists!:eek:

Help! That just can’t be right! Can anyone explain?

It’s the “destroyer” who inflicts death – but he is able to do it only because God does not restrain him. God allows it. It is in that sense that the LORD slays. Satan is always wanting to torment and/or slay us, but God restrains him; God does not allow him total freedom to carry out his animosity towards us whenever he wills.

God was about to destroy Jerusalem then repents and stops the angel. what he repents and hence is not infallible?? Not just that but is capable of evil??? WHAT?

God’s manner of revealing Himself and dealing with us takes into account the limitations of our language, intellect, and way of thinking. Taking into account our human temperament, sometimes the only way to get us to change our evil ways is to threaten punishment. [Every parent does it; first a command not to do something (eg. not run out into the street). If that isn’t sufficient, the description of the consequences of disobeying may be given in hopes that will be effective. Physical discipline may have to be resorted to. …]

If you start at the beginning of the ! Chronicles chapter you’ll see the whole incident begins when David follows the incitement of the devil, even after his close advisor, Joab, warns him against it.
(1 Chron 21:1 Satan stood up against Israel, and incited David to number Israel…)

Luke1983 you miss the point…
God was going to destroy the people of Moses because they were worshiping a golden calf… But Moses talked God out of it!
9 “I have seen these people,” the LORD said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people.
10 Now leave me alone so that my anger may burn against them and that I may destroy them. Then I will make you into a great nation.”
11 But Moses sought the favor of the LORD his God. “O LORD,” he said, “why should your anger burn against your people, whom you brought out of Egypt with great power and a mighty hand?

Could it have been a test for Moses by God!!?
Jesus also put up with the sins of the people in his time on earth, he also had pity and forgave them!

Same with Abraham, when God asked him to sacrifice his son Isaac.
Genesis 22:12 “Do not lay a hand on the boy,” he said. “Do not do anything to him. Now I know that you fear God, because you have not withheld from me your son, your only son.”

God tested their faith!!

Dogknox

The stains on the door were for the angel to know which houses were on his “To Do” list.
As for repenting: God is merciful and forgives them so he calls back the chastisement.
God is Love and “SLOW” to anger, meaning he can anger (recall Jesus’ anger at the merchants at the temple) He is still the ultimate judge and can put forth any chastisements he wills.

According to Judaism, Satan is an angel sent to Earth by G-d, but not a fallen angel. The notion that Satan is a fallen angel is a Christian invention. Satan’s first job is as “hinderer,” who is commanded by G-d to test our free will. At the same time, Satan (and G-d) hopes that we will not succumb to his clever temptation. The purpose of testing us is to find out whether or not we can control and rise above our “evil inclination” and thus improve ourselves by drawing closer to G-d’s Will. Judaism believes we have the potential for good from birth (there is no concept of original sin in Judaism), as well as the evil inclination. The latter includes, among other things, even such normal life drives as hunger and sex, which are not considered evil in themselves, but when engaged in indiscriminately without restraint at inappropriate times, can lead to evil. The second job given to Satan is as “accuser” after we die, who pleads against us in the Heavenly Court, pointing out our shortcomings during our earthly life, as we ourselves review our lives. But it is G-d, who knows our hearts and intentions, who passes Final Judgment, and Satan is commanded to carry out the sentence passed by G-d by escorting us to either Heaven, Purgatory, or Hell. This third job commanded of Satan is that of the Angel of Death. Satan, the same as any other angel, has no free will of his own. Rather, he is ordered by G-d Himself and must obey. Only we humans have free will, which is similar to Christian teaching, and it is Satan who is chosen by G-d to severely test our free will and, hopefully, make us morally stronger by so doing. However, the idea of battling forces of good and evil in the persona of G-d and Satan simply does not exist in Judaism.

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Tradition holds that the archangel Uriel is the Angel of Death and he would be one of God’s messengers. I don’t think that name is mentioned in the Bible at all.

thankyou folks.

I’m not talking about those particular parts of scripture though but these:

Ex 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to slay the Egyptians; and when he sees the blood on the lintel and on the two doorposts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not allow the destroyer to enter your houses to slay you.

The lord slays the egyptians. And when he-God not the angels ??? will see bloodstains God will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer-angel to enter your houses to slay you!! Woot?? First its God slaying Egyptians then its the destroyer not slaying you all of a sudden??
Who wrote this garbage? This for one thing implies that God needs man to tell Him who they are by putting a stain on the door! Plus it introduces a destroyer angel completely out of context!

1 Chronicles 21:15 And God sent the angel to Jerusalem to destroy it; but when he was about to destroy it, the LORD saw, and he repented of the evil; and he said to the destroying angel, “It is enough; now stay your hand.”

God sent the angel to destroy jerusalem. Fine. But when he the angel was about to destroy it-Jerusalem, God saw and he-God repented of the evil-destroying Jerusalem??? and told the angel hey stop back to base! ???
God repented of the evil??? Wooot!!:eek:

Again this is garbage! Written by idiots! Sure as hell it aint God nor an inspired man writing this stuff!!:rolleyes:

Am I to truly believe (if not am apostate from the faith and a heretic) that this is God’s work and not the blatherings of one of many idiots who say: God did this, God wants it. Prophecy is being fulfilled. Christ is coming back. Are you ready for rapture? Jihad. Kill em bastards??? :eek:

So what you’re saying is that the book of genesis is just a whole load of garbage!!:rolleyes: Fine for me I think the same to some extent.

This has been a rather insightful thread thus far, it was good to hear the Jewish perspective on the Angel of Death. To be honest the Jewish interpretation makes more sense since Satan could act as a death angel while serving God.

The issue as a Catholic would be, if Satan is in fact the angel of death or some other fallen angel then why would they serve God with specific rules instate to only kill the first born of those houses not coated with blood.

I mean by the Christian perspective Satan and all fallen angels rebelled against God, which would mean they would not follow his directions in the case of the Egyptians since they sacrificed their own salvation for their fall.

The lord slays the egyptians. And when he-God not the angels ??? will see bloodstains God will pass over the door and will not allow the destroyer-angel to enter your houses to slay you!! Woot?? First its God slaying Egyptians then its the destroyer not slaying you all of a sudden??
Who wrote this garbage? This for one thing implies that God needs man to tell Him who they are by putting a stain on the door! Plus it introduces a destroyer angel completely out of context!

While my Bible study is stale compared to others I will give my opinion. First the blood on the front houses isn’t some target for God to know which houses to pass. It was done for us humans as a test of faith. If any Jew were to not believe in Mose and not protect their houses with the blood then God would punish them the same as he would the Egyptians with the death of their First Born.

Your Bible study is just fine, and this is true. God gave very specific instructions to His people Israel from the very beginning, and sometimes they followed his instructions, and sometimes they didn’t, and there were consequences. They were told to do this, and to slay a lamb to use for the blood, and do specific actions which they still do today on Passover. All of these instructions to them and prophecies later on, tied into to the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

Thanks. The explanation sounds much better than the literal! Although I believe the story of moses to be highly mythological or mythologicalised as time went on transmitted orally and then written. What about the other one though??

Thanks.

G-d doesn’t NEED Man to tell Him anything. G-d gives Man free will to either obey or disobey G-d’s Will. Further, G-d already knows what Man will do, but gives Man the choice to act. The blood ritual you are referring to is the outward sign of obedience to G-d, who can just as easily read the inner conviction or lack thereof of Man. However, that ritual–as many other rituals in both Christianity and Judaism–serves the function of revealing to G-d Man’s willingness to use his free will in making moral choices. In Judaism, moral behavior is more important than internal intention although G-d judges both. For example, one person may have all the kindest intentions to help another, but if they do not act on those intentions, that does the other person no good. Now, it may also be the case that the person who helps has, in the long term, evil intentions in doing so. G-d will judge those intentions as well; but meanwhile, for whatever reason, at least the person receives the help they need in the short term. The destroyer angel you speak of is sent by G-d. In reading Scripture, you have to use inference at times. When G-d says He will destroy the Egyptians, it is inferred that He will send an angel to do as He commands. (However, in the Exodus from Egypt, G-d makes a point of telling the Hebrews that He Himself will lead them out of slavery, not an angel. Here no inference is required, unless one takes the view that G-d is acting through Moses.) To use a mundane analogy, it’s similar to a hit man who does the dirty work of killing and has been commanded by his boss to do the job. Who is the actual killer in this case? The hit man does the physical slaying, but the idea was originated by the person who gave the order.

1 Chronicles 21:15 And God sent the angel to Jerusalem to destroy it; but when he was about to destroy it, the LORD saw, and he repented of the evil; and he said to the destroying angel, “It is enough; now stay your hand.”

I’m not well read when it comes to outside of Genesis, Exodus, and the New Testament. Someone else will have to explain the context of this situation, sorry.

Where am I saying or inferring that? The temptation of Adam and Eve by Satan in the guise of the snake is still commanded by G-d to test humans’ free will.

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