I See somebody else posted on this subject but didn’t ask the question I wanted to know.does the Catholic Church that uses the Anglican rite the same as Eastern Catholic? And can a Catholic go to Sunday mass there? I read an article that claimed they’re in union with the pope they more less follow their own rules on married priest like the Eastern church and their mass follow the 1928 bcp with little change so it sounded more Catholic more than it already did.
You pretty much have it. The Ordinariate is in communion with the pope, use a slightly modified version of the 1928 (or are authorized the no us ordo mass as well I believe) and attendance at an Ordinariate mass does fulfill the Sunday obligation.
There are also some priests that came over prior to the Ordinariate by way of something called the Pastoral Provision set up in the early 80’s for a similar purpose to the Ordinariate. Those parishes I believe refer to themselves as Anglican Use.
The Book of Divine Worship, used in the Anglican Use, in the US. is based on the 1979 Episcopal book, with a number of changes. This is under revision, and I don’t know what will eventually emerge. But eventually it will be a common Anglican based liturgy for all 3 Ordinariates.
Anglican Use parishes were indeed what those established under the Pastoral Provision were called. Technically, Ordinariate parishes might be referred to as such today, by virtue of using that liturgy.
Cradle Roman Catholics can certainly attend and there is provision for such to be affiliates of an Ordinariate parish, but there are limits on becoming actual parish members.
In some ways, yes. And in some ways, no.
And can a Catholic go to Sunday mass there?
Absolutely yes. Their service is a Catholic Mass in every possible way. Their priests are Catholic priests. Remember that they are Catholic—that’s the whole point. They are Catholics who follow the liturgical traditions of Anglicanism.
I read an article that claimed they’re in union with the pope they more less follow their own rules on married priest like the Eastern church and their mass follow the 1928 bcp with little change so it sounded more Catholic more than it already did.
This needs some explanation.
When you write that they “follow their own rules” that can be taken different ways. If the original writer meant that they make their own rules for themselves independent of the Church, then that’s not correct. However, they do have special laws and norms which apply to them; these have been approved by Popes Benedict and Francis.
Celibacy is the norm for priests; however if one is already a married Anglican cleric and he is seeking ordination to the priesthood, a dispensation from the obligation of celibacy is possible (and these are usually granted).
The best source for accurate information about them is their own websites.
Here’s the one for the US & Canada
The Personal Ordinariate of the Chair of St Peter
The Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of Walsingham for the U.K.
The Personal Ordinariate of Our Lady of the Southern Cross for Australia
And, of course, the actual Church documents that define and govern the Ordinariates:
Pope Benedict, the Pope of Christian Unity, established the Anglican Use Ordinariates by the Apostolic Constitution Anglicanorum Coetibus in 2009
There are also “Complementary Norms” meaning laws that articulate in more specific details what the Pope wrote in the Constitution.
The Anglican Ordinates are not really equivalent to a Eastern Catholic Church. They are more akin to a diocese that has been given permission to celebrate a modified form of the Roman Rite (the “Anglican Use” liturgy is very similar to an English Translation of the Traditional Latin Mass). The Eastern Churches have a great deal of autonomy in setting their liturgical practices; the Ordinates, however, must faithfully follow the liturgical norms set by Rome.
The Ordinates do not have “their own rules” regarding married clergy; they follow are the same rules for any Protestant minister converting and being accepted into Catholic ministry. There is a process, where the local bishop petitions the Pope for permission to ordain a married man to the priesthood. The hierarchy of Eastern Churches, however, establish their own norms for accepting married candidates to the priesthood.
All this being said, a Catholic may attend Sunday mass without reservation at an Anglican Ordinate parish.
Not only are they in union with the Pope, but they were set up by Pope Benedict XVI himself. They are not Eastern, and neither are they a Rite or church. The Ordinariates are like dioceses for those of the Anglican tradition seeking union with the Catholic Church while preserving their unique and venerable Anglican practice. They are part of the Latin Church and their liturgy is an absolutely beautiful variant of the Roman Rite, one of three variants currently in use today.
They don’t have their own rules though; they are fully bound by the 1983 Code of Canon Law and just like all Catholic priests of the Latin Church, are normally bound by the law of celibacy. However, married Anglican clergy who convert with their congregations are usually granted a dispensation to be ordained Catholic priests. Much like married deacons though, if their wives precede them in death, then the obligation to celibacy takes effect and they cannot remarry.
The Mass used to be flexible, with some parishes using the Book of Divine Worship, and others using the English Missal (a 1950’s translation of the Roman Missal in force back then, with elements of the Book of Common Prayer). Today, however, Rome has approved the final form of the Mass for the Ordinariate Use, along with the orders for Marriages and Funerals. The Divine Office is still being worked on.
Membership in the Ordinariate is reserved to those who are converting from Anglicanism, or (as modified by Pope Francis), were baptized but not yet confirmed and received first Communion. However, any Catholic can hear their Mass and fulfill their obligations there, even regularly.
I am fortunate and blessed to live near the first Ordinariate congregation in Canada. They celebrate in a traditional manner, ad orientem, exercise the traditional options (prayers at the foot of the altar, traditional Offertory prayers, Last Gospel) and, at Solemn High Masses, use the full ceremonial with the deacon and subdeacon (including the subdeacon holding the paten in the humeral veil).