THE BIBLE SAYS


#1

We’re practicing fertility care- a type of nfp…i was reading the book “the bible and birth control” and I came upon something interesting. It said that it is a sin to be intimate with a woman during her menstrual flow. Does anyone know what the church’s stance is on this? the reason i ask is b/c the church approves nfp. the one I’m taking says it is okay to be intimate on those days…what does one do? I just dont want to go against God!


#2

You are talking about one of the traditional Jewish laws. Catholics are not bound by the Old Testament ceremonial laws. However, I know that some modern Jewish people observe this law. Don’t worry, as long as both you and your spouse are comfortable, there is no impediment to relations at that time.


#3

Then if i dont follow that than what good is the scripture with onan in genesis? let me re- phrase that, do we just pick and choose what is right or wrong from the old testament then?


#4

We don’t get to pick and choose as individuals. However, we do listen to the Church as to what precepts still apply to us. At the council of Jerusalem (the first one) they ruled on what to tell the people about some of the various Jewish laws at the time. (this is in Acts 15).

In general, moral law has been retained, like the 10 commandments. The one you mentioned is probably in the Holiness code in Leviticus? That has moral law in it too, however.


#5

[quote=crazyage3]We’re practicing fertility care- a type of nfp…i was reading the book “the bible and birth control” and I came upon something interesting. It said that it is a sin to be intimate with a woman during her menstrual flow. Does anyone know what the church’s stance is on this? the reason i ask is b/c the church approves nfp. the one I’m taking says it is okay to be intimate on those days…what does one do? I just dont want to go against God!
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I just started my Creighton classes! I will be married in August. I am learning a lot!

No it is not sinful to have intercourse during the time of menstruation.

**The Bible and Birth Control ** is an excellent book for a foundation for talking with non-Catholics and does show Scriptural precedent regarding contraception. However, it is written by a Protestant minister. Therefore it has its limitations, and Sola Scriptura is one of them. This book seeks to argue soley from Scripture, and from some of the Protestant reformers’ interpretations of Scripture.

At any rate, Catholics recognize Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Therefore, the Church teaches that contraception is wrong not soley, nor even primarily, from Scripture. It is a violation of the Natural Law (built into our nature by God) and of the Sacrament of Marriage (and therefore the 6th Commandment).

Jesus elevated marraige to a Sacrament. Jesus built on the Jewish understanding of morals, as revealed in the 10 commandments, as well. He entrusted the teaching of the Faith to the Church. And, therefore it is the Church from whom we receive this teaching based on both Scripture and Tradition.

I recommend some solidly Catholic books such as **The Good News About Sex and Marriage ** and Theology of the Body for Beginners, both by Christopher West. Also, the Catechism has a section on this and the encyclical Humanae Vitae is very instructive as well.


#6

My first cousin is Orthodox Jew.They have 600 and something commandments.He gets somewhat depressed about it,too.I asked him one time what can you do,hop in a circle?He laughed,I was trying to cheer him up.He went on a date with another Orthadox Jew and shook her hand and from that she was shamed:eek: I think that is why Jesus was so hard on their legalism.God Bless


#7

[quote=1ke]I just started my Creighton classes! I will be married in August. I am learning a lot!

No it is not sinful to have intercourse during the time of menstruation.

**The Bible and Birth Control **is an excellent book for a foundation for talking with non-Catholics and does show Scriptural precedent regarding contraception. However, it is written by a Protestant minister. Therefore it has its limitations, and Sola Scriptura is one of them. This book seeks to argue soley from Scripture, and from some of the Protestant reformers’ interpretations of Scripture.

At any rate, Catholics recognize Scripture and Sacred Tradition. Therefore, the Church teaches that contraception is wrong not soley, nor even primarily, from Scripture. It is a violation of the Natural Law (built into our nature by God) and of the Sacrament of Marriage (and therefore the 6th Commandment).

Jesus elevated marraige to a Sacrament. Jesus built on the Jewish understanding of morals, as revealed in the 10 commandments, as well. He entrusted the teaching of the Faith to the Church. And, therefore it is the Church from whom we receive this teaching based on both Scripture and Tradition.

I recommend some solidly Catholic books such as **The Good News About Sex and Marriage **and Theology of the Body for Beginners, both by Christopher West. Also, the Catechism has a section on this and the encyclical Humanae Vitae is very instructive as well.
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I really like this method so far! I’m learning so much about my body ! everyday i just thank God for this and I want to share it with everyone! Wouldnt it be nice if everyone could stop the pill and do this!


#8

[quote=crazyage3]I really like this method so far! I’m learning so much about my body ! everyday i just thank God for this and I want to share it with everyone! Wouldnt it be nice if everyone could stop the pill and do this!
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Yes, it certainly would! People jump through all these hoops and twist their fertility, and then are surprised when their body strikes back with infertility when they are “ready” to have a baby. Natural methods make sense, even from a non-religious standpoint.


#9

I work with a girl who has no “religion”. She is a vegan and into everything natural. I might add that she is one of the kindest and most humble people I’ve ever met.
One day she asked me (knowing I’m Catholic) about The Church’s NFP teaching. She is so interested that she asked me if she called a local parish if she could learn NFP in a Catholic setting. I told her to just call and find out but that I don’t know why she couldn’t.
Who knows? With her open mind and humble heart, I may see her at an Easter Vigil in the future. :gopray2:


#10

It may not be sinful but both my wife and I think it would be kinda gross to do that.


#11

[quote=crazyage3]Then if i dont follow that than what good is the scripture with onan in genesis? let me re- phrase that, do we just pick and choose what is right or wrong from the old testament then?
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There’s a big difference. The regulation involving touching a menstruating woman was part of Jewish ritual cleanliness, not moral sin. It was not a sin to touch a menstruating woman, it only made you “ritually unclean” and ineligible to participate in the Tabernacle (later, Temple) worship. It was from such laws the new Covenant released us from.

Onan’s case, however was moral, which applies to all, regardless of race, culture, or creed. Onan was not merely guilty of violating the levirate law (which had not yet been in place, and the penalty for which was public disgrace). He was guilty of spilling the seed, a morally monstrous act. So God killed him.


#12

[quote=Lisa4Catholics]My first cousin is Orthodox Jew.They have 600 and something commandments.He gets somewhat depressed about it,too.I asked him one time what can you do,hop in a circle?He laughed,I was trying to cheer him up.He went on a date with another Orthadox Jew and shook her hand and from that she was shamed:eek: I think that is why Jesus was so hard on their legalism.God Bless
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You’ll find them all listed and described in Part Three of Rabbi Joseph Telushkin’s ‘Biblical Literacy’ (NY, 1997): THE 613 LAWS OF THE TORAH. Jesus dismisses them in Mark 7:7 as being the mere “commandments of men.”

God bless.


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