"The Burning Times" film in class

Hi everyone,

Earlier today in my English class we were watching a documentary called “The Burning Times” which is about paganism (witchcraft more specifically) and the inquisition. Our teacher wanted us to watch it because witchcraft has something to do with the book Macbeth, which we’re about to read soon. I must say… I was floored by this movie. We only got through about half an hour of the film and I was so angry by the things I had seen in this movie. For some reason, I couldn’t help but feel as though this 90s movie had an underlying feminist agenda, seeing as how the movie portrayed the evil “Church of Rome” as tyrants who burned people at the stake for being witches and forced them to confess sins or else be killed. It was so preposterous that I felt compelled to write down what I had witnessed in the movie.

Here are the things I wrote down:

  • Inquisitor = torturer according to documentary
  • So called Jesuit priest saying that the Church is evil and that Catholics should be reproached instead of pagans
  • Enclosure in the “iron maiden” as a means of punishment
  • Women’s hair braded having something to do with men’s fate?
  • Witches get the hair on their head and their pubic hair shaved just for being witches?
  • Joan of Arc supposedly persecuted by the Church and then made a saint by the Church itself?
  • Gigantic rosary necklace as punishment for falling asleep in church
  • The Church supposedly views sexuality as a thing of evil and not a gift
  • Church teaches that women are evil and are the gateway to hell?
  • Catholic Church solely blames witches for all of their problems?
  • Witch hunts were supposedly a business in which the Catholic Church charged witches of being witches for monetary gain
  • Church suspects women who own property as evil?
  • Witch hunt campaigns organized by the Church
  • Forced confessions by the inquisitors?
  • 9 million women estimated to have been killed during the Inquisition period
  • City of Trier in France (???) had 2 entire villages exterminated by inquisitors?
  • Took the Church 200 years of terror and death to transform the image of paganism into devil worship (This in particular is what angered me the most)

This movie makes out the Catholic Church out to be some oppressive, misogynist, patriarchal institution only interested in money and killing all of those who oppose. I really couldn’t sit in my seat and watch all of what was being shown. I’m really not inclined to believe most of the things I’ve heard in this film, so does anyone have any opinions?

Ask your teacher about why this programme contains a number of factual errors, such as geographical ones. Triers is in Germany not France is one basic error this programme makes. The 9 million witches killed is a ludicrous figure in light of the relative population sizes of medieval Europe.

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]
Hi everyone,

Earlier today in my English class we were watching a documentary called "The Burning Times" ...

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The Burning Times documentary

This trashes the flic.

theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2001/01/allen.htm

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theatlantic.com/past/docs/issues/2001/01/allen.htm

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That certainly explains quite a lot.

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]
Hi everyone,

Here are the things I wrote down:

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Lets take a look

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Inquisitor = torturer according to documentary

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Some did but they were very limited at what they could do and the "image" of the Inquistors using it often is absrud

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • So called Jesuit priest saying that the Church is evil and that Catholics should be reproached instead of pagans

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That so called Priest can open a real history book

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Enclosure in the "iron maiden" as a means of punishment

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Not used by Catholics I am pretty sure.

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Women's hair braded having something to do with men's fate?

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Sounds like superstition

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Witches get the hair on their head and their pubic hair shaved just for being witches?

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Oh my how terrible...was probably go for them considering the lice around at the time lol

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Joan of Arc supposedly persecuted by the Church and then made a saint by the Church itself?

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Not killed by the Church, killed by English, trial condemened as absurd even before it was over

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Gigantic rosary necklace as punishment for falling asleep in church

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Good idea, can I get one?

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • The Church supposedly views sexuality as a thing of evil and not a gift

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Nope

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Church teaches that women are evil and are the gateway to hell?

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Nope

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Catholic Church solely blames witches for all of their problems?

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Nope

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Witch hunts were supposedly a business in which the Catholic Church charged witches of being witches for monetary gain

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Show me the evidence, untill then nope.

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Church suspects women who own property as evil?

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Nope

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Witch hunt campaigns organized by the Church

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Nope, Witch hunts condemned as superstitious nonsense by Inquistors, for instance you could not charge a person for witchcraft in the Spanish Inquisition.

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Forced confessions by the inquisitors?

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Could have happaned, but if confession was not reasserted later it was considered void, Inquisitors did not believe torture to force confessions was worthwile.

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • 9 million women estimated to have been killed during the Inquisition period

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Sources? and by whom? Most of the Witch hunting was not done by Catholics. In fact those areas where the Inquisition were taking place has the least amount of Witchhunting **** because the Inquisitors (usually Dominicans) were highly educated and knew it was suppersitious nonsense

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • City of Trier in France (???) had 2 entire villages exterminated by inquisitors?

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HAHA, yea ok....not

[quote="Daegus, post:1, topic:220669"]

  • Took the Church 200 years of terror and death to transform the image of paganism into devil worship (This in particular is what angered me the most)

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I want to see this terror and death, the Church was the bastion of learning and charity during this time, did some people do stupid things? sure, but was it the norm? Absolutely not.

All I can say is I wish I could be there, but most of these propoganda films are absurdity and your teacher should be corrected (I say this being a teacher myself)

This website: davidmacd.com/catholic/burning_times_inquisition_witches.htm

should help you form an argument against this kind of nonsense, you should ask your teacher if you can make a presentation to the class about this. Many teachers will like that kind of initiative and maybe even throw some extra credit you way.

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