I said a prayer for you. Keep an open heart and an open mind as you continue on your journey home.
James White in particular has been a favourite of mine, and I have watched several of his debates with Catholics.
I am not a fan of Dr. White’s. Nor would I be a fan of a Catholic apologist that is ignorant and condescending to others faith as he is. It was difficult but I read the article you sited. The problem I have is when anyone writes like this…
Catholic Answers reaches new lows in utterly miserable misuse of historical facts, let alone egregiously poor writing.
One adjective is plenty in my book.
Mr. Morrow presents us with three simply moronic Protestants who glibly trot down the path to papal slaughter without a second’s meaningful fight.
Not only is he condescending to the Catholic Church he is obviously condescending to his fellow Protestants.
When someone is condescending to others in there writings, even if they might be correct in their theology, there is no way they are being guided by the Holy Spirit, who guides us to LOVE one another.
One of the things that he mentions is that the Councils of Hippo and Carthage were local councils and therefore not binding on the whole Church. How does a Catholic answer this claim?
I wish I could answer this question for you, others here probably could. However, when speaking with someone like Dr. White your answer isn’t what they are looking for anyway. He is more than prepared to rebut anything you would say. However, my response to Dr. White would be I am unfamiliar with that, I will have to do more research. I would continue conversing with him by saying…Since you are able to say these councils aren’t binding on the whole Church you obviously believe Jesus left us an authoritative Church. Would you be able to give me a list of which councils are binding so I can look into those as well?
You see here is the problem when you are your own authority, you have to keep making up excuses why someone else is wrong. It’s only a matter of time before one of you excuses actually proves another fact. Unless Dr. White can give you a list of which councils are binding on the Church he has no way of claiming which aren’t. Which makes his entire question nothing more than a smoke screen, meant for confusion not teaching.
He also mentions that scholars have said that the Council of Rome never took place. Is there anything that Catholics have written about this?
Another thing that he mentions is that Cardinal Cajetan, in his commentary on the Old Testament, wrote that all the Deuterocanonical books (except Baruch) were counted by St Jerome as outside the Canon and were placed in the Apocrypha. Why would a cardinal write such a thing if the Canon of Scripture had been determined previously (at least by Nicea II)?
Any answers you can give would be great and would help me on my way back to the Church.
I’ve been a life long Catholic but have only taken my faith seriously the past few years. I research about 2 to 4 hours a day but haven’t gotten to the councils as of yet. In my opinion I wouldn’t really worry yourself about the councils as of yet. Dr. White likes to bring stuff like that up just to throw up a smoke screen. He does it to bring doubt into the picture. Take for instance in the article he presents more misdirection here…
“OK, the New Testament…was a process undertaken by the early Church, which was thoroughly Catholic.”
“Catholic, or Roman Catholic?” John asked.
Paul looked surprised by the question. “There is a difference?”
“Of course” John replied. “Catholic simply means ‘universal,’ and it was a term used in the early Church to differentiate true believers from those outside. ‘Roman Catholic’ carries far more ‘baggage’ than the mere term ‘Catholic.’ It includes, as it is used by modern Roman apologists, the idea of Papal authority, doctrines such as purgatory, indulgences, Marian dogmas, etc. The early church was ‘catholic’ but it was surely not ‘Roman Catholic.’”
Once again he proves to much. His argument here is all balanced on his misdirection the Catholic and Roman Catholic are 2 different things. Catholic is Catholic period. I am Catholic as was my relatives from 2000 years ago. Nothings changed. Here he is hoping you don’t realize Roman is just the Rite.
There are three major groupings of Rites based on this initial transmission of the faith, the Roman, the Antiochian (Syria) and the Alexandrian (Egypt). Later on the Byzantine derived as a major Rite from the Antiochian, under the influence of St. Basil and St. John Chrysostom. From these four derive the over 20 liturgical Rites present in the Church today.
As I said above put the councils on the back burner. I would concentrate more on…
18 And I tell you, you are Peter,[a] and on this rock** I will build my church, and the powers of death[c] shall not prevail against it.[d] 19 I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven,[e] and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”**
If you can come to terms that Jesus was smart enough to leave us a visible shepherd here on earth, everything else will just fall into place. I raise sheep and I can tell you Jesus calls us sheep for a reason. They are the most self centered animal I have ever raised. They want what they want and get into so much trouble when I am not around. Sheep knowing they have shepherd doesn’t keep them in line, they need to see the shepherd to keep them on the path.