[quote=deekod1967]I have a problem with some of my atheist/agnostic family members - they cannot respect our Catholic Church because of the purported close relations between Franco, Pinochet and our recent Popes and Cardinals including our dear departed John Paul 2nd - may he rest in peace. They applaud what the Holy Father did for Eastern Europe and Russia, yet cannot understand why we did not do more for Peru and Fascist Spain under the Pinoceht and Franco regime, they take the view our Church supported these regimes. I have found a blog which sums up their view quite succinctly for your info…
I have told them to look at the whole picture and see the greater good the Church has done throughout its history - teaching moral values etc. - but still they cant accept the apparent hipocracy of what the Church teaches and what it actually does. My answer here has been that this is because none of us are perfect - they answer - true - but to support a fascist totalitatrian dictatorship can never be excused away - how can we support a hypocritical organisation?
Does anyone know more about the Church’s involvement in Peru, Spain?
PS - has anyone heard that the Catholic Church is in decline in Poland now? - can anyone explain this?
Why do your atheist/agnostic family members expect the church to do anything? Are they inferring that there is more to the church than they openly admit?
I always find it amusing how many times Protestants deny the authority and validity of the RCC, sometimes even going as far as to say it is the work of the devil, yet - they never stop asking why the church isn’t doing more! (Amazing how they expect so much from a corrupt organization!)
Those against the church will always find accusations against it. For instance, while it is true that Pius XII signed a concordat with the Nazi regime, it was meant to gurantee the survival of the church in Germany, and it was enacted before the death camps. It is easily to look on the German government under Hitler now and accuse the church of wrongdoing. But such accusations come from people who did not live then, nor did they have any responsibilities concerning the issues then. So it is easy to accuse the church of not taking a sterner position against Hitler.
Yet, I remember a Bishop relate a story about how when he was a priest in a concentration camp, every time the Pope did speak out against the regime, he and the other priests and Protestant ministers would be abused by the guards. After each beating, the Protestant ministers would chew-out the Catholic priests…“What’s wrong with your Pope? Why doesn’t he keep his big mouth shut? Every time he talks, we pay for it!!”
Isn’t it beautiful? When it is an accusation against the Pope by people who did not have to live under those conditions, the pope should have done more. When a righteous proclamation is rendered by the pope, and it results in the discomfort of the Protestants, he should keep silent!
Maybe you should ask the Protestants/agnostics/atheists why they are not doing more.