'The Demise of Guys': How video games and porn are ruining a generation

Interesting. Not your usual “video games cause violent crimes” piece.

Is the overuse of video games and pervasiveness of online porn causing the demise of guys?

Increasingly, researchers say yes, as young men become hooked on arousal, sacrificing their schoolwork and relationships in the pursuit of getting a tech-based buzz.

Read more: cnn.com/2012/05/23/health/living-well/demise-of-guys/index.html

Haha another “It’s all your fault Men hit piece.”

How about all the porn…oh oh excuse me erotic novels that women buy? and the Kardashian/Jersey Shore/My Sweet 16 bday/I’m a knocked-up teen watch me get famous/ and the infamous Sluts in (Oooops) I mean Sex in the City, and the whole guuuurrrl power movement.

You think another reason relationships are out of sync are because of the women too? :rolleyes:

I think one of the reasons so many men play video games and watch porn, is because it is easier to do that, than deal with a woman who will mock you, stand you up, or literally dump you at the worst time to chase their Mr. Big, or that “hot guy with the motorcycle who slept with half the sorority.”

Oh and to all you FemNazi, misogynist jihadist, double-standard bearers…I await your cries of sexism…bring it on! :nunchuk:

Actually it seems to be exactly the normal sort of “Video games cause violence…” sort of piece. It lost me when it used Breivik, who “trained” on Call of Duty as an example.

It is a sensationalistic article written by a man known for his unethical experiments, that bends the facts in order to sell a few more books.

(My issue is with what he says about Video games - a subject I’ve studied academically, not sure I’d trust him to be truthful about the porn, even if it is what I want to hear).

LOL.

Well, at least you’ve managed to preemptively label anyone who might disagree with you.

For those of you who are willing to do a little more than just scratch the surface of the article and then spout off with a “ZOMG this article is all about how men suck and how dare they etc. etc. ad nauseum”, I think we can agree that there is a developing trend in societies that have ready access to television and the Internet where folks of both sexes are being bombarded constantly with the sort of instant gratification that video games and pornography (whether it’s online video or horribly written erotica), among other things, provide. I think it’s interesting (and sad) that our brains can potentially be basically re-wired as a result.

Yes, the article does focus on men, and on video games and porn. We can take issue with the video game bit all day long, I suppose. I’ve played video games from a young age and I don’t necessarily feel the urge to knock over a liquor store. But I think the impact is deeper and more far-reaching in the sense that we have been, in recent generations, conditioned by any and every media outlet to expect instant gratification in all that we do.

If you guys want to dismiss the article out of hand because it’s an “all your fault Men hit piece”, or because you’ve studied the impact of video games and you disagree, or it’s “a sensationalistic article written by a man known for his unethical experiments”, then that’s your prerogative. But I think the problem is deeper then just guys, and just video games.

I do believe that the persvasiveness of porn is wreaking havok on the sexual and moral development of boys. I am frankly a bit scared of how things will turn out.

Men do not watch porn because of women. They watch porn because of sin. Men’s lust is not the fault of women as women’s lust is not the fault of men.

Another useless article that confuses the effect with the cause. Men turn to video games and sports because they are not allowed to act manly in the public sphere anymore.

Example: Some guy blares his radio on your street at midnight for a long time. In the olden days, a real man would have gone out and told him to turn that garbage off. If the offender didn’t comply, a real man would have wrecked the car radio. If that didn’t work, you would wreck the selfish guy blaring the radio. And the neighborhood would have thanked you. The police would have turned a blind eye.

Today, you’d be sued into bankruptcy, thrown in jail, and called a caveman. The guy blaring the radio would be left alone free to stick it to those trying to sleep (and God forbid if he is black because then you would be racist for correcting him). And we call this justice and civility. You’re supposed to cower in your home while the “authorities” do nothing.

This pretty much castrates manhood and the natural inclination of men toward fighting evil.

I could explain why this is the way things are, but I suspect the posters railing against my example will provide more than enough evidence of how weak, twisted, and rotten the entire culture has become.

So what is left for men? We take solace in things like sports and video games where we can at least freely simulate the conflict over an enemy, rival, or villain.

Porn is a separate matter dealing with the total rejection of family and collapse of sexual mores. It affects men and women.

As the previous poster said, pornography affects both men and women. I can definitely agree with the article on the damage porn is doing. As for video games, I’m not sure.

The problem is that the same thing can be said of TV and music, also readily available, and studies say the exact same thing about those media (and indeed every media) as they do about video games.

The problem with the article is that it is looking for a quick and easy scapegoat. If it talked about addiction in general, or even just porn and video game addiction it would be a whole other can of worms, instead it makes it out to be the case that their simple existence is what is doing it, and if you play games or look at porn you are probably going to be a deadbeat dad who kills a bunch of socialists in Norway.

Then post that! Don’t post an article that blames men and video games for the fault of society, by a hack feminist and a shrink known of unethical experiments. Post a sincere one that talks about the shallowness of society.

Just because I dismiss this Feminist hit piece, doesn’t mean I don’t agree that our society is in a state of debauchery and degradation. :rolleyes:

Yes YES YES!!! :extrahappy::clapping::clapping: :clapping:

I wholeheartedly and enthusiastically agree!

As an old geezer of 18 years who has been addicted to both of those things, and who knows what teenage guys are like now, I can say that the article was right on.

The corruption of pornography is obvious. It trains guys to look at girls in terms of sex. It gives men vivid tools for undressing any, and I mean any woman they see. At one point it became out of control for me, I was even mentally undressing women that I didn’t want to, like middle aged or unattractive women. Pornography messes with a man’s brain in a big way.

I don’t know why adults keep insisting that violent video games make people more violent, but I honestly believe that they do not. A person may become desensitized to violence, or even romanticize it a bit, but I doubt it increases violent activity.

No, the real danger of video games is how much time they consume. Games now, especially MMO’s (which I used to play and loved dearly) are engineered so that in order to progress at all, you have to spend lots of time playing. I mean it is seriously an investment. And for what? I tried to keep justifying it to myself when I was addicted, but there is seriously no good that comes from it.

It is the fact that guys are becoming so used to pouring hours into entertainment instead of disciplining themselves and doing something productive which is breaking down manhood.

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Our society has completely lost the concept of masculinity and tough love. Love is not about trying to make somebody feel good and avoiding offending them at all cost even if what they’re are doing is incredibly damaging to themselves and to others. In fact, the strength of one’s love becomes most evident in those cases where the love is not being reciprocated. And it’s a simple fact that the people who need our love the most are the one’s who want it the least.

Don’t forget that it was Saint Nicholas who went up and punched the heretic Arius in the face while he was denouncing that Christ was God. How many feminized Catholics in today’s society would wrongly accuse this holy Saint of being uncharitable in his actions??

I could cry over this. Yes masculinity and tough love has been shamed in society and people wonder why our society is messed up. Great post Midnightsun! :yup:

When men are forbidden to be men in the public square, we go to places where our masculinity is valued. Hence, the allure of the men’s rights movement.

Maybe not your average “video games cause violent crimes” piece, but definitely a “let’s blame video games for all our recent troubles” piece.

Before video games, it was the book, music, TV, and film industries, now everyone’s ready to jump on video games because it was discovered some criminal had an Xbox 360 in his basement with the controller plugged in.

As for porn, humans have been creating images for the purpose of attaining arousal since forever. It’s more prolific and easier to access now.

I blame the transition from a romantic Love of Others to the culture of Love of Self on the progressives. It’s their way of reducing Love of Others and limiting population growth. Responsible fatherhood is a difficult choice. Pretending to be a warrior and fantasizing about women is an easy choice. It’s no contest. This false bravado creates dependency on govt. and forced collectivism. Anyone who fails to agree is Judged to be not correct since the govt must be called in to help out where selfish, unromantic men failed to man up to the call of true duty.

porn is bad. yes. this we know. It is something that is detrimental to a person emotionally, mentally, quite obviously spiritually and often times even physically. It’s bad news no matter how you look at it. Video games on the other hand can’t be brushed with such a broad stroke. Video games were my anti drug in high school. I was addicted to them, as were all my friends But we still had a social life. We still went outside and rode our bikes, hung out at the park. We went camping. We weren’t as active as other kids, we never got into sports (especially since most of the “jocks” were doing weed our freshmen year and cocaine by our senior year). They were the crowd to avoid. Almost as much as all the wannabe gang bangers. Video games “can” be bad for someone. But people that are affected negatively by a video game will also be affected in the same way by movies, music, books (as another poster commented on). These people are either disturbed or simply highly excitable and shouldn’t be around these things to begin with. But for the vast majority of normal people (as normal as a human will ever be in this crazy world) video games are harmless, and a great source of entertainment. I bite my thumb at all who disagree and say “come at me bro”

It makes more sense to separate Porn from Video Games because now, when someone says they play Video Games, you automatically assume they watch Porn. That makes no sense at all.

I suppose it’s good that I don’t subscribe to your “no true Scotsman” theory of manhood :rolleyes:. If the guy didn’t turn his radio down after I asked him to, I’d call the police and let them handle it, seeing as disturbing the peace is illegal and that’s their job. You don’t have to engage in assault to be a “real man,” and the other poster comparing your example to St. Nicholas punching Arius in the face for heresy is erecting a straw man. “Fraternal correction,” in the spirit of love for others, is Christian charity. Simple assault because somebody’s doing something you don’t like is the opposite. You can show masculinity and tough love without necessarily having to resort to violence.

On the video game issue, I expected blowback from the “I’ve been playing video games for years and I’m perfectly normal” crowd. Heck, I’ve played video games for years and I consider myself to be pretty normal. Some studies have shown that video games cause an increase in aggressiveness, and other studies have shown that they don’t. I’m not looking to belabor that issue here - what fascinated me more was the notion of video games providing that neurochemical high that is so often associated with addiction.

As far as the poster who decided to pan the article after reading “Breivik, who “trained” on Call of Duty,” I think there’s an important distinction to be drawn here. This isn’t like Columbine, where friends and family said “Oh, yeah, those kids were always playing violent video games…must be why they decided to get a bunch of guns and kill people”…he actually testified that he used that as a method of “training.” Unless his weird political agenda includes a hatred for video games such that he would seek to discredit them, why would you dismiss this out of hand? The guy said he used a video game to train for his psychotic killing spree. :shrug: I think there’s something to that.

Folks, I’m not here for a “men are screwing up society and here’s why” argument. I’m not even here for the “video games/TV/facebook/whatever are evil” argument. I came across this article, read it, and was intrigued by the broader-reaching implications of the potential neurochemical effects of today’s media (to include video games and pornography) on our kids, male and female (the article, after all, discussed young men, not men in their prime who turn to video games and sports because they feel emasculated in the public sphere). austenboston, I’m sorry the article isn’t more to your liking or that the authors aren’t ones you consider reliable. But it’s the article I happened to read, so it is what it is. I should have been more forthcoming about what I found interesting about the article in the OP.

FWIW, I don’t disagree that there has been a great deal of masculinity (and femininity) removed from society under the auspices of “gender equality,” whatever we’re defining that as today. Young men today are left without many positive examples of masculine role models and often have to find solace and mentorship where they may. Young women are sexualized almost right out of the gate. There’s a lot that’s wrong, and I think a lot of the problems begin at home with responsible parenting.

Porn is definitely a problem for men seeking to be real men. Video games, it appears to be an anecdotal connection. Anecdotally, I love games, as my favorite hobby, but also love the Church, my family, working out, and am a die-hard sports fan. Go O’s.

Like any hobby, it can have a negative impact depending on your upbrininging and how grounded in reality and God you are. Pron is obviously never healthy or okay, even in small doses.

Call of Duty, while fun, is perhaps the most unrealistic of the first-person shooter games. There is no mainstream game that fits the mold of a combat simulator.

Getting a “game over” message the first time you die is no fun.

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