[quote=Paris Blues]I was watching Fr. Corapi on EWTN a week ago or so and he was talking about how Catholics read the Bible, etc.
At the end, he was telling about how the Scripture where Jesus says to Peter something like Satan wants to have you and to shift you like wheat (don’t know what Gospel that’s in but I know I’ve seen it before) and that our Lord was praying for Peter especially.
Fr. was telling the correct interpretation of it. It was that when our Lord said Satan wants to have you, the “you” was plural, like to have ALL of the disciples, etc. and the “you” in shift you like wheat, was plural as well (to shift you ALL). But when our Lord said that He would pray for Peter especially because unity wouuld be kept or something like that. Did anyone catch this program on TV to know what I’m talking about?
Well, anyway, Fr. went on to say what happens when you go away from Peter? Satan shifts us all! He said so when Martin Luther left, Wesley, all the other Protestant ones left, Satan shifts them all and now we have over 60,000 Christian denominations teaches this and that, etc.!
That’s exactly what I thought, that the devil was part of the Reformation.:mad:
Why? Think about it. You REALLY think that ALL interpretations of the Bible match? NO. Do we agree on them? NO. Do they cause confusion? YES. Remember, Satan causes confusion! It’s NOT the Holy Spirit. And that’s EXACTLY what he wanted to do: to lead people away from the Truth!
Now look at our brethren…they have been strayed away from Truth!:crying:
Now I understand: the CC is the only Church that stands in unity because it IS THE TRUE Church founded by our Lord and what our Lord said was true because the proof is right in front of our eyes. Make sense?
There is no clear cut division between Catholics and Protestants, such as this ides implies; as though one could point to:
Catholics - in the virtuous corner, all squeaky clean and sinless
Protestants - in the evil corner, all filthy and uniquely evil.
That’s not history - it’s doubtfully Christian, because it makes too tidy a division between groups of people.
The idea separates the sheep from the goats before Christ sees fit to do so - which means that human beings are trying to do what only Christ, Who alone knows what is in man, can do, and has not yet done. Since both are to “grow until the harvest”, and since that harvest has yet to be reaped, to divide human beings into tidy groups is not for us to do - especially as we belong to one of those groups, and will not know which until the Judgement. We just aren’t equipped to make that separation - for we who judge, are ourselves constantly being judged, not least by our reactions to others.
And, it is far too simple - and history is not simple; it’s complicated, ambiguous, perplexing. Rather than being like an avenue of trees planted at intervals, clearly separate from each other, it’s like a jungle. Historical facts don’t take well to being chopped up with a machete - and chopped-up history is what one gets if one tries to make out that one group is uniquely evil, and another is wholly spotless. History is not black and white - its a lot of other colours, because it is the experience of flawed human beings.
Which is also why sweeping judgements have no place in historical study - “All the Reformers were evil” is as useless and deceptive as saying “All Popes are evil”.
There may be a demonic element in the Reformation - but that is a theological judgement; not an historical one. Because history is complex, and because man is sinful and flawed and foolish, and because Catholics and Protestants have the same nature and temptations, one cannot say “This group is bad” unless one says the same of other human groups - including one’s own. That is one of the reasons why it is so pointless for one Christian group to belittle another - they are all under judgement, and all under grace.
What such belittling forgets, is that we are saved and protected by God’s grace - not by any native strength of ours. So if we are not all axe-murderers and devil-worshippers, that is no reason for us to boast at all.
Where does evil comes from ? Our own wicked hearts.
What stops us doing evil ? Nothing but God’s mercy.