[quote=Verbum Caro]Hiya Awfulthings,
If I am reading you rightly, you seem to be positing that the reason Christ is able to be present in the Eucharist is because He has, now, a Glorified Body.
I don’t think that is quite right, although it is understandable to try to look at it that way. But I would assert that the reason Christ is able to be present in the Eucharist is because He is present there *sacramentally *(through Divine action). [which, is actually what you *did say
, but I am specifically focusing on the part about His Glorified Body)
The Sacramental nature of His Presence helps us to begin to fathom many things about the Eucharist, not the least of which is how Christ can be present in “multiple places” and “multiple times”. Usually we see an appeal to His Glorified nature. But although He does have a glorified body in the Eucharist (and in Heaven!) such that we receive Him Glorified Body, Glorified Blood, Soul and Divinity, it is not by virtue of His Glorified Body that He is present in the Eucharist.
If it were by virtue of His Glorified Body, then we immediately run afoul of the question “How then, could He have been present in the Eucharist at the Last Supper, since He had not received His Glorified Body yet?” Perhaps we are tempted to answer that a Glorified Body doesn’t have the restraints of Time, and so it was His Glorfied Body, not yet received by Him, which He gave to His disciples at the Last Supper. But this won’t do! Because He says “This IS my Body which is given for you”, and His Body was a passable body, one capable of suffering, and dying. His Glorified Body is NOT capable of suffering and dying.
In order to protect the *reality *of the Real Presence, we must assert the Christ gives us His Body as it is, really. For us, that means a Glorfied Body in Heaven, for the disciples that means a mortal body, about to suffer.
What do you think?
I’m not sure I agree, though I understand what you are saying. Christ’s glorified body and his physical body are the same body, though in two states.
As his glorified body still has the nail holes and the spear gash, it is still the body which is given up for us in the Eucharist. It would be true for him to say, “This IS my body, which IS given for you” because it is one in the same body.
It wouldn’t, in my opinion, be a problem to say that he transcends time because we know this to be true. If his glorifed body can pass through matter, such as a door, it can surely become, in a Sacramental way, the host under the forms of bread and wine. His glorified body is no less human than his pre-crucifixion body, nor will ours be in Heaven. It is an improved human body.
I think we’re stretching this too far, though. My point is that, for someone who assumes Catholics think we are eating a piece of flesh, we need to make the distinction that, to consume Christ’s human body, we have to understand that, in a Sacramental way, that human body is no longer bound by the laws of physics, as it once was. (Yes, I know he walked on water and performed other physics-defying miracles, but these are instances where his divine nature stepped forward. After the resurrection, his human nature, on its own, is something which can be present to us through space and time.
Anyway, God bless