The Fall / Mormons


#1

This may interest you. Did you know that the Mormons believe that what took place in the Garden of Eden was a good thing? That if it did not take place they would not have a chance at godhood, at eternal progression. . In essence they take the devil literally when he tells them “Did God really say you would die if you ate from the tree? He did not mean that! No, you will gain knowledge and be able to become a god. They can’t seem to see the lie here and it makes God the liar when he told them that they would die if the ate of it. As Catholics we know that without God, outside the garden, His life giving Grace we do all die. That the fall was inevitable because we are not God. Because we can not live without His grace. We cannot be centered in self, only in Him. So in the garden when mankind “us” chose our own centers over Gods, and this we do daily,…we die. But thank God for Gods goodness and His love. Thank God for Christ!!! If you are speaking to Mormons this is a great place to go. “The Fall” Learn more about this, stay centered in Christ, bring Christ foreword and seeds can be planted. If you would like to learn more about how to speak to Mormons or if you know someone who is considering Mormonism, you can e-mail me anytime at the utahmission@aol.com

Rich

www.catholic-rcia.com


#2

In general, Mormons are good, sincere, family-oriented people and I greatly respect them for that (my daughter is best friends with one). However, their theology seems very bizarre and illogical. I’ve always been puzzled why more Mormons (who seem like very intelligent people) don’t recognize the glaring flaws in their religion and theology and leave their faith for other more orthodox forms of Christianity. It might have something to do with the bonds of family and community that they have established - leaving their church is probably akin to be being cut off from most friends and family.


#3

I have spoken to a few Mormons on this topic. They believe that it is a good thing that Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden, disobeyed God and obeyed Satan. If you point this out to them, it really gets them thinking. This is the oldest lie Satan has told to mankind, perpertrated in the world all over again. Mormons also believe the garden of Eden was located in the state of Missouri, because their leader Joseph Smith said it was!!! Believe it or not !! How the devil twists scripture to mislead unsuspecting souls !!


#4

*Mormonism teaches that practically no one is forever damned to hell. Aside from Satan, his spirit followers, and perhaps a half-dozen notorious sinners, all people who have ever existed will share in heavenly “glory.” Not, mind you, all in the same heaven. There are, in fact, three heavens.

The lowest heaven is populated by adulterers, murderers, thieves, liars and other evil-doers. These share in a glory and delight impossible to imagine. Their sins have been forgiven, and they now enjoy the eternal presence of the Holy Ghost.

The middle heaven contains the souls and bodies of good non-Mormons and those Mormons who were in some way deficient in their obedience to church commandments. They will glory in the presence of Jesus Christ forever.

The top heaven is reserved for devout Mormons, who go on to become gods and rulers of their own universes. By having their wives and children “sealed” to them during an earthly, temple ceremony, these men-gods will procreate billions of spirits and place them into future, physical bodies. These future children will then worship their father-gods, obeying Mormon commandments, and eventually take their place in the eternal progression to their own godhood.

Mormons think this doctrine is a strong selling point. They point out (erroneously) that only their church offers families the chance to be together forever in eternity. But read the fine print. The only way you can have your family with you is if each one of them has lived a sterling Mormon life. Otherwise, a spouse, parent, or child may be locked forever in a lower heaven. Indeed, the faithful Mormon wife of a lukewarm Mormon man will leave him behind in an inferior place while she goes on and is sealed to a more devout Mormon gentleman. These two will then beget and raise their own, new family.

The LDS slogan, “Families are forever,” can only mean fractured families. *

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#5

In general, Mormons are good, sincere, family-oriented people and I greatly respect them for that (my daughter is best friends with one).

i think like all generalizations they can be misleading. utah has a slightly higher divorce rate then the rest of the country. image is everything with mormons and although they do a good job presenting themselves as family oriented, they are not much better than the rest of society. what you believe is reflected in how you live your life. i think most of what you see is a facade with mormons.


#6

[quote=tTt]*Mormonism teaches that practically no one is forever damned to hell.

Which is, of course contrary to Christ’s teaching that many are on the wide road to distruction and very few are those who find the strait and narrow path to heaven. But that is what Mormonism basically is. The twisting of the word of God into falsehoods. These poor souls need so many prayers. Please pray for them!*
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#7

To live in Utah is to know Mormons. Some of my families best friends are Mormons. But hear is a bit of advice. Never believe what you see on TV commercials about the LDS church. Commercials are propaganda. Some of the most disfunctional families I know are good Mormon families. They are caught between earning money with multiple jobs, neglecting children and then raising children, etc.

Don’t believe a commercial.


#8

I had an LDS friend tell me that GOD gave two opposing commands to Adam and Eve in the garden. 1) To not eat from the tree of knowledge. 2) To be fruitful and multiply. They told me that it was impossible from Adam and Eve to follow the 2nd command unless they ate from the tree. That they could not have children until after they partook of the forbidden fruit. Which I find rather curious since this same person also believes in a form of original sin. I wonder how we got original sin in her view seeing as how what we call the fall is seen as a good thing in their eyes.


#9

Sophie,

You said, “Mormons also believe the garden of Eden was located in the state of Missouri”. On this I would have to agree with the Mormons.

Cathy
Valley Park
MISSOURI

p.s. Our former associate pastor, now pastor at Holy Family, would more precisely locate Eden around the Perryville, MO region.


#10

“Mormons also believe the garden of Eden was located in the state of Missouri”. On this I would have to agree with the Mormons.

Missoura?? Please, I don’t even recognize it as a state. Everyone knows that the Garden of Eden was and still is in Henrrieta Oklahoma.


#11

The Garden of Eden was here in Ottawa Ontario. Come up here and see it and you would have to agree!


#12

The sealing of marriages and the different heaven thing seems to cause distress in some Mormons. They clearly recognize the implications for their future life in heaven. You can only get your marriage sealed if you are married to the right person. If you are married to Catholic, for instance, I don’t think you can get the marriage sealed from the one side only. You both have to be in on it.

I thought also that the person in the higher heaven could come down and visit the person in the lower heaven for a bit, but I would have to ask again to be sure.


#13

I am pretty sure that you are correct in this. My friends have told me this before, and I think I read it in Gospel Principles (kinda like our Cathchism). This belief is in direct conflict with the story of the rich man and Lazarus, which we just heard at Mass last Sunday…Luke 16.


#14

The more I learn about the LDS faith, the less I take it seriously.

P.S. The Garden of Eden is in San Diego County, not somewhere in Missouri.


#15

[quote=Pug]The sealing of marriages and the different heaven thing seems to cause distress in some Mormons. They clearly recognize the implications for their future life in heaven. You can only get your marriage sealed if you are married to the right person. If you are married to Catholic, for instance, I don’t think you can get the marriage sealed from the one side only. You both have to be in on it.

This is true. Two people have to be Mormons in order to be sealed together in their so called “marriage for time and all eternity”. By the way, Mormon men can go to their temples and have as many women sealed to them as they want. They believe these women will also be their wives for all eternity. Their names are put in what they call the “book of sealings”. They believe they will be polygamous gods ruling over their own planets forever will many godess wives. These wives will be eternally pregnant to populate their husband’s planet. (Mormon beliefs make Hugh Heffner look like a saint !!) Joseph Smith even had some Catholic saints sealed to him !!! The U.S. government forced them go give up polygamy in the 1800’s, but they still hold fast to the belief that they will be polygamous after they die.
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#16

[quote=Malachi4U]To live in Utah is to know Mormons. Some of my families best friends are Mormons. But hear is a bit of advice. Never believe what you see on TV commercials about the LDS church. Commercials are propaganda. Some of the most disfunctional families I know are good Mormon families. They are caught between earning money with multiple jobs, neglecting children and then raising children, etc.

Don’t believe a commercial.
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The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints’ T.V. commercials!! Yikes!! They are a bunch of misleading propaganda. That is something I have not understood for a long time. How can an organization like this get away with such false advertising? They used to give away their Book of Mormon on their commercials. In recent years they have changed that into giving away the King James Version of the bible. They want folks to call in to find out how much happier and wonderful their lives can be by ordering the bible. They don’t tell you it comes delivered to your door complete with 2 “Mormon” missionaries who try and promote and put in front of you their Book of Mormon instead.

Did you know that the Mormon organization doesn’t even use it’s own members to act in their commercials? One of my daughter’s is an actress in L.A. and once was sent on an audition, only to find out when she arrived that the audition was for a Mormon commercial. (She left when she found out what it was for.) I guess, using the guise of religion allows them to get away with false advertising.


#17

[quote=vstar]The Garden of Eden was here in Ottawa Ontario. Come up here and see it and you would have to agree!
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I heard the insects can be really bad up there. True?


#18

sigh I did not know that they think that about the Fall, but I did know that they hope to become dieities. They have a LOT of strange beliefs like that and it really makes me sad because my best friend, more like a sister really, is very much a Mormon who believes in all of that. She is an increidbly intelligent person, but she has been surrounded by false teaching since she was small and I guess that would be hard for anyone to see through. I have been teaching her a lot about Catholicism, but she learns about it the same way I take learning about Greek Mythology. She thinks it’s very interesting and that Catholics are good people who will go to Heaven, but she doesn’t accept the truths of the Church.


#19

[quote=ContraFool]sigh I did not know that they think that about the Fall, but I did know that they hope to become dieities. They have a LOT of strange beliefs like that and it really makes me sad because my best friend, more like a sister really, is very much a Mormon who believes in all of that. She is an increidbly intelligent person, but she has been surrounded by false teaching since she was small and I guess that would be hard for anyone to see through. I have been teaching her a lot about Catholicism, but she learns about it the same way I take learning about Greek Mythology. She thinks it’s very interesting and that Catholics are good people who will go to Heaven, but she doesn’t accept the truths of the Church.
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The LDS church teaches that us “good” Catholics will go to a level of heaven. NOT the same heaven as them. They will go to the highest level of heaven where they will live with God and Jesus and the Holy Ghost and all othe rgood, faithful Mormons, but us Catholics, we are reserved to a lower level of heaven where we will nto be with God, Jesus, and the Holy Ghost, but will have the opportunity to see them when they visit. Another interesting tidbit about their belief in heaven. They believe God the father actually has a physical living place. I’m not positive, but I think it’s is by a star called Zoron. I’ll have to check on the name, but they believe there is a physical dwelling place and that that is the highest level of heaven.


#20

[quote=ContraFoolto . I have been teaching her a lot about Catholicism, but she learns about it the same way I take learning about Greek Mythology. She thinks it’s very interesting and that Catholics are good people who will go to Heaven, but she doesn’t accept the truths of the Church.
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God bless you and don’t give up on your efforts in showing your Mormon friend Catholicism. Remember, Greek Mythology is not the word of God. The Catholic Church is ! Your friend might be listening alot more than she is letting on. With Mormons their beliefs are their way of life. Starting to doubt these beliefs can cause confusion in a Mormon that they do not want to deal with psychologically. If they should start to even doubt or question the Mormon church they are told they are being influenced by Satan because of some sin they have commited and are made to feel something is wrong with them and they are the problem. If they leave the organization, they are quite often shunned by everyone they know who is Mormon. Family and friends alike will no longer speak to them. In predominately Mormon populated areas, Mormons will even loose thier jobs if they leave the Mormons and they have a Mormon employer.

What your teaching your friend about the Church, might be making great sense to her, but she may lack the courage to do much about it. But you are doing your job as a child of God. God tells us His word never returns void to Him. Even if you have planted some small seed in her soul, that is what is most important. That seed, possibly together with other truths about the Church she has heard in the past from someone else and she may hear in the future, might someday take root. It took St. Augustine 30 years (and alot of praying on the part of his mother) to find his way back home to the Church. God bless you for doing your best and fighting the good fight.

“God doesn’t expect us to be successfull, He expects us to be faithful.” - Mother Teresa
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