Well… where is that in the bible, ask her.
Paul says SOME have the gift of tongues… he does not say all have it or ought to have it.
St. Paul says (1 Corinthians 12):
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.
ALSO: The gift of tongues, I think, is more like Peter at Pentecost, i.e. he preached in Aramaic, but people could hear him in their own mothertongue…
I do not think that the bible ever regards ‘the gift of tongues’ as the ‘jibberish praying’ of pentecostals
YES, there IS a gift of ‘understanding tongues’ but that might and probably means understanding HUMAN tongues, not jibberish… i.e. the gift of understanding what foreing people said miraculously, as some saints also could.
I responded with the passage regarding how everyone has different spiritual gifts and that as the body of Christ our gifts come together and complement eachother since we don’t have all the gifts. She agreed except that speaking on tongues is apparently the only gift we all have.
She is right, we all speak some tongue or another (tongue = language/dialect in ye old times!)
Well except mutes… they read and write tongues…
Her support for this is that on multiple occasions when the Holy Spirit comes upon people they all speak in tongues.
How does she know it’s a gift and not just a psychological effect. Do they even know what they are saying?
Are there times in the bible where the Holy Spirit came upon people and they didn’t speak in tongues? And how do I explain to her why it is inaunthentic to expect everyone to speak in tongues.
There are many accounts when the Holy Spirit or the Spirit of God comes on people in the Old and New Testament, but the only time I recall the ‘speaking of tongues’ is Pentecost.
Let’s read from Acts 2:
When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.
5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard their own language being spoken. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: “Aren’t all these who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia,** 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs—**we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!” ****12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, “What does this mean?”
13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, “They have had too much wine.”
To note that the word ‘tongues’ also means ‘languages’.
It seems that EVERYONE understood them. Some people sais ‘thei are drunk’ but apparently everyone understood the in their own language or dialect.
I think THAT is the gft of tongues/languages… not some jibberish.
Moreover the apostels KNEW what they were saying!
The same for Paul in Acts 19:6, where he speaks in tongue… preaching and prophetizing, evidently people did understand him otherwise he would not be preaching!
[quote]By the way she demonstrated it for me on the spot, it sounded like aramaic but she does not know what she says.
Are you sure it sounds liek Aramaic?
Also I could produce weird sounds that sound like hebrew or chinese, or russian. It’s HUGE on parties, I make load of people laugh doing this tricks… but it’s nothing divine!
So making up jibberish that sounds like some language (if indeed it does) is not really that hard…
Aramaic sounds like this, apparently:
at least MODERN Aramaic…
Let me tell you I would be ‘speaking’ like that (without saying anything meaningful)… and that would not be a gift from God (unless you do not count comedy as one).