Joe I would say that no church on earth in its entirety is the Church of Jesus Christ. Rather the Church (ecclesia- the called out ones) is comprised of the saved. Of course the Church is found in Rome. I have a great and abiding affection for Rome even though I am not a Catholic, however I have found from time to time folks within almost every, if not in fact every, denominational stripe arguing that they are the sum total of every truth of Christ and thus are THE Church.
I think I understand! You do not believe that truth can still be found in any one church via the perpetual guidance of the holy spirit, anymore, which means you must believe that all churches, on an aggregate basis, regardless of denomination, via the guidance of the HS, are in fact the sum total of every truth of Christ, or perhaps you believe that all truth is no longer ascertainable as it was early on?
Usually these folks also think the Pope is the antichrist and all Catholics are going to Hell (i e Jack Chick)
Very sad indeed considering we are all brothers and sisters in Christ, and we all comprise the fractured Mystical Body of Christ, of which Christ is the Head and Savior. I guess all we can do is love and pray for folks like Jack Chick.
*But I tell you this: Love your enemies, and pray for those who persecute you. Matthew 5 *
For this reason any private interpreter which says God spoke to him and he has all the truth is no more a Christian than my standing in my garage makes me a car.
Very good point. I believe, as scripture says: Only the church founded by Jesus Christ Himself, on Pentecost, in Jerusalem, in the 1st century, Who continues to guide and preserve doctrinal truth in His established church, can make that claim. Of course there are some pretty self explanatory things found in the bible with which everyone agrees.
I wholly agree that most people have no business reading the Bible without someone to guide them, and I say this because I was carefully guided as I read it, and I love that Rome teaches her people not only that they should believe, but also what to believe. If more churches which cling to the Apostles’ Creed had this attitude the Church would be stronger.
I guess the question remains: which church, via the guidance of the HS, has the authority to guide others into all truth, as per John 14:16 and John 16:13? To which church in the world today, did Jesus say:
"But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
The apostles creed, by itself, is wonderful indeed, and put together by the CC, but in and of itself I don’t believe it should be the binding authority by which all Christians are guided. Logically speaking, it should be the church that gave us the trustworthy creed - yes, no maybe?