[quote=Robert Shadwick] It has been my experiance in studying with members of the Roman Catholic church , that the scriptures are ‘dead’ and no longer relevant. I do not propose to place that belief on anyone here.
Greetings to you also,
I am a little confused by your statement. Are you saying that the Catholics you know believe that the scripture is dead?
When I read in the current Catechism the following words , I question the role of scripture in the Catholic church of today and the role it had in ancient times. The Catechism states ;
“The Sacred Sriptures contain the Word of God and because they are inspired they are truly the Word of God”
( pg. 37 - 135 ,DV 24)
"God is the author of Sacred Scipture because he inspired its human authors; he acts in them and by means of them. He thus gives assurance that their writings teach without error his saving truth. ( pg. 37 -136 , cf. DV 11)
Again, I am confused. Do these quotes bother you, or do you find them acceptable? I don’t see anything false or worrisome in these statements even for a Protestant.
In writing from prison in Rome Paul penned these words: “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness :That the man of God may be perfect, thoughly furnished unto all good works” ( 2 Tim.3:16-17).
BUt he did not say scripture is the only thing given by inspiration of God and is profitable for… Technically, if you read the statement in 2 Timothy to mean that you can only have the bible for doctrine, reproof, correction of instruction; then you couldn’t even have a sermon or anything but bible reading in church. Also, what was scripture at that time period? It certainly wasn’t the new Testament. That was still being written. He is talking about the Greek version of the Old Testament.
Consider what these writers did not say: (1) They did not state they were given a few things; (2) They did not state they were given some things (3) They did not state they were given all things plus something else. What they stated was this: The Scriptures are profitable for doctrine (teaching), for reproof (reprove us when we deviate), for correction (able to retrieve us from error), for instruction in rightousness (guide us in the way of right doing), and by God’s matchless power we have all we need to equip us in this life.
We have present with us, in the form of the Bible, the fullness of saving truth. That, of necessity, means we have no need for a Catechism , manual, confessional ,discipline, or creed book in any way. God has given us all we need. Any creed containing more than the Bible should be rejected because it contains too much; any creed containing less than the Bible should be rejected because it contains too little; any creed containing something differant from the Bible should be rejected because it is different; and any creed that is just like the Bible is not not needed.
There are many doctrines of Rome that are not taught in the scriptures. If as the Catechism states the sriptures are without error and contain God’s saving truth , and I beleive they do , then change in doctrine needs to occur for the church of Rome. This is a short list of things I would like to discuss in this format;
(1) The origin of the Roman Catholic Church
(2) Peter being elected Pope
(3) The Priesthood
Please post different topics on different threads. It will help you get a more complete answer. Jumping around from sola scriptura to the pope to priesthood can be difficult to keep up with in one thread.