The Moderna Vaccine


Bishop J. Strickland
@Bishopoftyler

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Nov 16

Moderna vaccine is not morally produced. Unborn children died in abortions and then their bodies were used as “laboratory specimens”. I urge all who believe in the sanctity of life to reject a vaccine which has been produced immorally.

(Bishop Strickland)

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Some pro-lifers declare that they will not accept a vaccine that uses fetal cell lines taken from aborted fetuses decades ago to culture the virus. Moderna’s new vaccine did not. It is an RNA product and is listed as “ethical” by the pro-life Charlotte Lozier Institute (updated 11/11/20).

It seems the Bishop is mistaken.

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Catholic News Agency also says Moderna vax is ethical, quoting the National Catholic Bioethics Center.

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But if you read the whole article you come to the following:

“Scientists not from Moderna had initially made DNA vectors with the gene sequence of the spike protein, and injected them in HEK-293 cells to produce the spike protein. The HEK 293 cell line is derived from a baby who was aborted in the Netherlands in the 1970s.”

In other words, Moderna did not itself aborted material but blended their product with cells which had been unethically derived by other researchers.

If I ve understood that correctly Im not touching it.

If that isn’t an example of remote, I don’t know what is.

The vaccine is fine for Catholics to obtain.

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If the National Catholic Bioethics Center says something, I’ll pay attention. Till then, nope.

It seems the Bishop is relying on some fringe-looking site called “Children of God For Life” run by some mom somewhere.

The Bishop has also endorsed extreme/ fringe stuff before, like when he was cheering for Fr Altman and his “Dems go to hell” videos. This Bishop to me is unreliable.

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Catholic News Agency latest piece on the Bishop’s statement.
Charlotte Lozier Institute and National Catholic Bioethics Center both disagree with the Bishop.

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The vaccine hasn’t been submitted to animal testing nor testing for long term side effects. Yet, it’s being fast tracked into production despite Covid having a 99% survival rate and despite doctors having had success with HCQ treatment. Hardly seems ethical to me.

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The Bishop is not challenging it on that ground.

Also, we are in an emergency situation, so it’s not surprising vaccines will be fast-tracked. I’m sure many people will just wait on getting them or refuse to get them anyway.

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Ah, the “ad mominem” argument! :grin:

I have a great deal of respect for that mom because she’s the one who sent the question to the Vatican, and they responded with the guidance we now have:

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Her website appears to me to be incomprehensible and geared towards anti-vaxxers.

The Charlotte Lozier and National Bioethics websites, by contrast, are clear, easy to understand, and staffed with actual experts.

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Absolutely. It’s perfectly fine to obtain.

Hopefully, the success of these new vaccines will mine we can go back to life as (somewhat) normal sooner rather than later.

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Are you authorized to speak for the spiritual well being of all Catholics?

The Bishops may (or may not) say the same thing, but I think they actually have that authority as well.

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Here is my question. If the bishop is spreading false information he believes to be true, is he sinning in some way? On the one hand one could argue he’s endangering lives, but it’s not like this is against the church. If he believes it to be true and it isn’t against the faith there might be no problem. I’m just confused at this point. Sometimes I wonder if certain people just love getting attention and sadly in spite of his good things, Strickland might be succumbing to his celebrity.

How can someone unintentionally sin? Say my mom asks me how many gallons of milk are in the fridge: did I sin if I say two when really, there’s a third gallon hidden on a lower shelf that I missed? No.

He’s a bishop in charge of the spiritual wellbeing of his flock. Regardless of whether he’s right or wrong with this case, he’s right or wrong on this, it’s his job to provide spiritual guidance to the people of his diocese.

Yes, and he does but I’m wondering if maybe he’s getting a big head and leading the charge on this. If the vaccine doesn’t contain fetuses then why keep saying it does? He’s correct in that Catholics can’t take one that does but it seems it doesn’t. Does he just not trust anything but his own judgement.

Also maybe sin is too strong of a word. It might be imprudent. Yes we shouldnt believe everything told to us but we need to genuinely test things. Not just outright reject or accept.

On the Drew Mariani show on Relevant Radio yesterday, he interviewed Deacon Dr. Rob Lanciotti (who was a CDC virologist for 30 years) on this topic.

His short answer on the overall topic: the Moderna and Pfizer vaccines are completely synthetic and fine, while the AstraZeneca one utilizes embryonic cells.

Someone called in citing the Children of God for Life claim and the deacon said the site was flat out incorrect. His answer on that runs from 20:00 to 27:00:

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Looking at his Tweet, he doesn’t say fetuses are in vaccine. From the OP:

He’s referring to the means by which the vaccine was made, not the contents of the vaccine itself.

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We don’t judge other people’s sins in that way, even bishops.

I think he’s being imprudent. Being imprudent is not necessarily a sin.

Well, that’s a relief. That site set off my alarm bells, but I’m not a CDC Virologist.

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