The Mormons And The Jehovah's Witnesses Are The Same Organisation (illuminati)


#1

HOLA:
I find these 2 sites that are telling the same thing about this 2 religions,as i have read in some books, the iluminati are a group of very powerfull satanist (is this right or another conspiracy theory???)
geocities.com/jforjesus2002/page17.html
[talkaboutreligion.com /…ages/67283.html](“http://www.talkaboutreligion.com /…ages/67283.html”)

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#2

Hola Miguel,
conspiracy theory
Pax vobiscum,


#3

Granted, I was only a rank and file JW but I found the first 1/2 of the article bizzare beyond words. I just don’t believe it’s true. JW’s are so AGAINST any type of witchcraft whatsover - to the extream. They think that almost everything (from horoscopes to Halloween) is satanic and to be avoided at all costs. I don’t buy it at all.


#4

Some People like to draw attention to what they are saying by going over the top. I think this is the case with this comment.


#5

[quote=Paul G]Some People like to draw attention to what they are saying by going over the top. I think this is the case with this comment.
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While both Jehova’s Witnesses and Mormons are cults by the very fact that they have added to the Holy Bible and ammeneded and changed scriptures I do not believe they are the same organization.


#6

Ain’t true.


#7

**Netmender is correct–while being cults who prey on the weak and uninformed the Mormons and JW’s have very different theologies. The Mormons actually believe in aliens which, although quite comical, I’ve never read in any Prot or Cath Bible…and I own 5 different Prot versions and 2 Cath…then again they do have their own version don’t they… :wink: **


#8

[quote=maddmaxx1200]**Netmender is correct–while being cults who prey on the weak and uninformed the Mormons and JW’s have very different theologies. The Mormons actually believe in aliens which, although quite comical, I’ve never read in any Prot or Cath Bible…and I own 5 different Prot versions and 2 Cath…then again they do have their own version don’t they… :wink: **
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I have been LDS for 62 years and have never ever ever heard of these aliens you Catholics keep saying we believe in. Name a couple of them maybe then I will recognize who you are speaking of when you talk of aliens. As far as JW being like Mormons that could be true, only in the fact that they send their missionaries door to door preaching the gospel. I guess the Mormon aliens is one of those myths like Catholics worship Mary. It just keeps on circulating and building. Maybe, some of you should stick with the facts and stop shopping for garbage to fling. And by the way our Bible is the King James Version, which I think is the same as the Protestants have, although my Catholic Son in law who goes to a penticostal church has a new version written in modern language without the Thee’s and Thou’s. He gets it out every so often to argue about religion. I have read the Catholic Bible with my Catholic husband and compared verse by verse and there is really not that much difference until we got to the Psalms and there was one missing from the Catholic Bible that was in the KJV. We didn’t finish the comparison yet, but I think the Catholic Bible has more books in it than the KJV. I am sure you all know more than I do about that. By the way there are 12 million weak and uninformed people in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and growing every day. One million are in Mexico…
Charity Never Faileth
BJ :thumbsup:


#9

As an ex-JW AND an ex (briefly) Mormon myself,
I can assure you that two religions are about as
different as night is from day. They are NOT the same.
Love, Jaypeeto


#10

Of course not, they are two completly different religions. Sure they are both polythestic, but that is about the only thing they have the same. Two different bibles, all sort of different beliefs and different leaders. Both religions are crazy. I don’t know about you guys, but I couldn’t believe a known lyer that says everything that he gets is from an angle. He was the only one to see the “golden tablets” that was the book of mormon and the only one who could translate hyroglifics correctly. I could go on and on, but better stop right here before I blow a fuse.


#11

I don’t know; I has been a while since I left the Mormon faith, but I remember being told nearly once a week that “We only worship one God.” Does the idea that they believe that other Gods exist that are not to be worshiped by people on this earth make them polytheistic?

I don’t know alot about JWs either, but Mormons celebrate holidays and most don’t seem very bothered by the commercialism of the Christmas today. Also, Mormons encourage blood donation; I remember that on a few occasions, they had the blood donation bus outside on Wednesdays.


#12

Those two websites are full of baloney. Mormons and Jehovah’s Wittnesses have NOTHING in common.

Mormons:
1.Believe that the Book of Mormon, Pearl Of Great Price (incorrectly “translated” from an egyptain funeral rite btw), Doctrines and Covenants (or, their decrees and standard teachings), and King James Bible (I guess because it speaks all pretty and uses fancy words like their scriptures, LOL!) are scripture.
2. belive that God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are three diferent Gods in one God; they worship only Him contrary to what others tell you
3. Believe that you can become a God in a different plane of reality and exitsance by getting into a secret temple ritual and being blessed
4. Beleive that God is still in FULL direct communication with the peoples of today; hence the name "Latter-Day Saints"
5. They have a very minor beleif that they mostly ignore that God is married to a “Mother Goddess” or whatever.
6.They believe that they are the only true church that was restored by the “Latter-Day seer” Joeph Smith; it was the true church before the “Great Apsotasty” they say, when the Church was supposedly “twisted”.

Jehovah’s Witness

  1. They believe in a new translation of the Bible
  2. They are the most paranoid people on Earth; thinking that everything from birthdays to Christmas are satanic and have to be avoided.
  3. They thought that the world will end in 1914, 1915, 1975, 1978, and possibly are yet again contemplating when it will end again (this makes me giggle every time I think of this)
  4. They are annoying little busy bees constantly going around spreading their junik to people going door to door
  5. They think jesus is actually Michael the archangel…

I do not know much about the Illumnati but they were a very evil epople who plotted World Domination and a New World Order. They still work and meet undergorund but they obviously dont have any of the wpoer to carrry out their plans. An Illumnati later went on to found the Freemasons (who are NOT a satanic organization the Vatican was EXTREAMLY WRONG on that) but they are rather suspicious. My grandfather, though a level 3 mason (and also Catholic) avoids many of the more sketchier ceremonies and rituals at all costs.


#13

Level three Mason AND a Catholic?!?! Whoa doggie! He can’t do that! It’s one or the other. Pope Pius the somethingorother condemned it. I don’t have the exact words, but I’ve heard numerous times you can’t be both. Look on the forums-there was a thread on the Masons, and I think it was mentioned.


#14

Actually, while for all practical matters it is indeed forbidden for a Catholic to become a Mason, there is nothing prohibiting a Mason from becoming a Catholic :smiley:

And from a historical note, the Illuminati, an italian body, were formed by freemasons with rather radical political ideologs, not the other way around. Many spurious organizations utilize freemasonry as a type of applicant pool, as Master Masons (those of the 3rd Degree, or “level” as you called it) have already sworn themselves to various oaths of secrecy, therefore “proving” them- selves capable of keeping secret knowledge, if they show to be good masons over time.

However, it would really be a mistake to suggest that freemasonry has any authority over such bodies, or that they control some imagined world freemasonry governing body, or that such spurious bodies have any jurisdiction over the masonic lodges.

Of course, when such spurious bodies utilize such gradiose titles as “Supreme Lodge of the World” and other such nonsense, it is easy to see why non-masons would be confused. But then, as an American freemason, I could never recognize some body of “illumined Masters” who control all of freemasonry from a jurisprudence standpoint, as not even America has seen fit to creat a single Grand Lodge to which all of the State Grand Lodges would recognize, let alone an international body. Even our “international” sprious organizations are split into multiple bodies that do not recognize the superiority of the others over them, the AASR for example (Northern and Southern).

But then, European masonry is a bit different than ours, as I am told. Ironically, the French freemasons, who were far more successful in their doings regarding political revolution than the more famous Illuminati, are not even entirely “recognized” as legitimate freemasons by much of the world due to their peculiar innovations (it is much too complex to get into here in any real detail).

And finally, as an ex-mo myself, I can also add my two cents that neither are the JW and LDS the same, but also that they are NOT being run by the Illuminati, or even the Freemasons. A little research into LDS history will easily reveal the conflict between them and Masonry. IMHO, the only reason that the LDS church has not banned Masonry from its membership, as has the RCC, is that it is too well known that the majority of the beginning LDS leadership were masons :wink: I think it very safe to say, however, that such is not the case now, and hasn’t been since the “exodus” to Utah (too many under BY’s rule felt that the Masons were responsible for the Carthage incident).


#15

[quote=BJ Colbert]I have been LDS for 62 years and have never ever ever heard of these aliens you Catholics keep saying we believe in. Name a couple of them maybe then I will recognize who you are speaking of when you talk of aliens. As far as JW being like Mormons that could be true, only in the fact that they send their missionaries door to door preaching the gospel. I guess the Mormon aliens is one of those myths like Catholics worship Mary. It just keeps on circulating and building. Maybe, some of you should stick with the facts and stop shopping for garbage to fling. And by the way our Bible is the King James Version, which I think is the same as the Protestants have, although my Catholic Son in law who goes to a penticostal church has a new version written in modern language without the Thee’s and Thou’s. He gets it out every so often to argue about religion. I have read the Catholic Bible with my Catholic husband and compared verse by verse and there is really not that much difference until we got to the Psalms and there was one missing from the Catholic Bible that was in the KJV. We didn’t finish the comparison yet, but I think the Catholic Bible has more books in it than the KJV. I am sure you all know more than I do about that. By the way there are 12 million weak and uninformed people in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and growing every day. One million are in Mexico…
Charity Never Faileth
BJ :thumbsup:
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The aliens that he is talking about are all the little gods on the planet Kolob. Anytime you have organic beings in space on planets, you have extraterrestrial beings. From what I understand when I read the Book of Mormon, we are all supposed to become extra terrestrial beings. Am I correct or no? At least if we follow the Mormon Church we get to go to Kolob, as aliens, right?


#16

Conspiracy theory.


#17

[quote=Elliott]Conspiracy theory.
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No- misleading. The Book of Mormon specifically mentions Kolob repeatedly and eternal progression. The idea that one million Mexicans believe they are going to Kolob by eternal progression is horrifying. We must do something to increase bi lingual vocations to end the effects of Origianl Sin in this area. Good heavens, how alarming. Kolob, little gods, sealed planets. Why would they want to go to Kolob? There is no air, trees, water, and the ehat would be unbearable. Holy Mother of God, help us.


#18

Actually, the BoM does not mention either eternal progression or Kolob. Those were introduced in the Pearl of Great Price in the books of Moses and Abraham, though EP, IIRC, is more a thing of Doctrine and Covenants. In fact, the BoM is stridently Monothiestic, in stark contrast to the PoGP, which is where the polytheism was introduced doctrinally,

Thus, if you take a copy of the “free” book of Mormon, then you will not find Kolob anywhere… or any of the other LDS specific doctrines (aside from the historical dogma that Christ physically manifested himself in ancient america somewhere). It is only if you buy a “triple” or “quad” will you get the stuff that the church actually believes dogmatically.

This is why I find the LDS’s insistance on the BoM as their primary missionary tool and “source” that investigators are supposed to rely upon to determine if the LDS Church is true is dishonest. The BoM does not describe the LDS church at all, and therefore this tactic is very disingenuous. The church that JS “restored” is doctrinally opposed to the church of the BoM, which was supposed to represent the actual teachings of the primitive church that the “abominable” churches we are all familliar with suppressed.


#19

Iwonder,
You continue to reveal your ignorance about my church. Perhaps you should read the Book of Mormon first before criticizing it. I invite Jerusha to do the same. You guys are like a movie critic that repeatedly criticizes a movie he’s never seen!

BJRump,
The reason LDS missionaries focus on the Book of Mormon initially is because if a person gains a testimony of that book then it logically follows that Joseph Smith was a true prophet and the church he restored is the true church of Jesus Christ. If the Book of Mormon is a fraud than Joseph Smith and the church he established is also a fraud. In other words, the church rises or falls on the Book of Mormon. And there is nothing in the Book of Mormon that contradicts the Pearl of Great Price or Doctrine and Covenants.


#20

So, the many gods of the PoGP is consistent with the written, and “most correct” words of the very blatantly monotheistic BoM? The polygamy of the D&C is compatible with the anti-polygamy of the BoM (which is justified in the D&C through the very same reasons it is condemned in the BoM, David and Solomon)?

Unfortunately Casen; the logic of “if the BoM is true, then everything else claimed by JS is true as well” argument is fallicious; and yet, even according to your own belief, this is explicitly the reasoning of the church’s missionary program. It is fully possible that God called JS to reveal the BoM, but then JS went out on his own and created a new church without God’s mandate. Just because someone has a vision that one is willing to believe or is even proven, does not mean that all their claimed visions are equally true.

Further, you are showing the great bluff of the church; it is not the history or doctrine of the BoM that “proves” the CoJCoLDS, it is merely its existence. Have you ever stepped back and thought about that one? The “Fullness of the Gospel” is claimed to be in the BoM, and yet the church does not follow the gospel found therein! They use this closed book as “proof” that JS was a prophet, and that the church he founded is true; converting people based on a message that they do not follow, and once converted, causes them to accept a gospel alien to even their converted values, but they play along out of trust in the bretheren, not truth.

It is a very clever tactic, but that does not make it right. The BoM is stuffed full of protestant theology and sentiment, making the “strange book” not as strange or foreign as been told by their pastors, causing them to ignore the warnings of their pastors or think that their pastors were just ingorant, wrong, or just plain hateful. Yes, it makes perfect marketing sense to force potential converts to read and study and pray about a book that just reinforces their own inclinations anyway, to “prove” to them that the church isn’t as weird as they thought, and that they really aren’t so different, just more enlightened, and endorsed by the authority that deep down everyone feels is necessary to the Gospel. Clever, and as I have found after these many years, is really typical. It is all about that analogy that is so overused in my old Ward, about the frog in the pot of heating water. Degrees my freind, its all about degrees :wink:

The church as revealed in the BoM is very different to the one created by JS in doctrine, practice, and even worldview. Therefore, even if the BoM is believed to be true, then it stands as a condemnation, not an endorsement of, the CoJCoLDS.

But, I am familliar with the LDS “apologetics”, therefore I am not trying to persuade; just clear up the obvious stuff. And I will not hi-jack this thread any longer along these lines. Sorry Miguel :frowning:


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