‘The most bizarre thing I’ve ever been a part of’: Trump panel found no voter fraud, ex-member says


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Maine Sec, of State Matthew Dunlap, one of the 11 members of the commission formed by President Trump to investigate supposed voter fraud, issued a scathing rebuke of the disbanded panel on Friday, accusing Vice Chair Kris Kobach & the WH of making false statements & saying that he had concluded that the panel had been set up to try to validate the president’s baseless claims about fraudulent votes in the 2016 election.

Dunlap, one of four Dems on the panel, made the statements in a report he sent to the commission’s two leaders — VP Pence & Kobach, who is KS’s sec. of state — after reviewing more than 8,000 documents from the group’s work, which he acquired only after a legal fight despite his participation on the panel.

Before it was disbanded by Trump…, the panel had never presented any findings or evidence of widespread voter fraud. But the WH claimed at the time that it had shut down the commission despite “substantial evidence of voter fraud” due to the mounting legal challenges it faced from states. Kobach, too, spoke… about how “some people on the left were getting uncomfortable about how much we were finding out.”

Dunlap said that the commission’s documents that were turned over to him underscore the hollowness of those claims: “they do not contain evidence of widespread voter fraud,” he said in his report, adding that some of the documentation seemed to indicate that the commission was predicting it would find evidence of fraud, evincing “a troubling bias.”…

“After reading this,” Dunlap said of the more than 8,000 pages of documents in an interview with The WaPo, “I see that it wasn’t just a matter of investigating Trump’s claims that 3-5 million people voted illegally, but the goal of the commission seems to have been to validate those claims.”

After a career of more than 20 years that has included stints as a state rep. & the chairmanship of a committee on fisheries & wildlife, Dunlap said that his time on the panel was “the most bizarre thing I’ve ever been a part of.”

“We had more transparency on a deer task force than I had on a presidential commission,” he said. “We had probably a dozen meetings. They were all public. We published everything we did in the newspaper & published results, including info we got from the public.”
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In contrast, the voting fraud panel was marked by obfuscation, secrecy & confusion…

“I was asking for a schedule,” he said. “If they had handed me a bunch of binders, I probably would have been satisfied. But they didn’t do that.”

So Dunlap filed a lawsuit against the commission…, alleging that he & the other Democratic members were being excluded from its work & materials. He received the documents he sought only in July, after a federal judge ordered the administration to turn them over, despite the objections of the DOJ

“I’m on Trump’s voter fraud commission. I’m suing it to find out what it’s doing.”

The materials provide a window into the panel’s operations. In one email, Christy McCormick, a Rep. member of the commission, spoke to a staff member about recruiting… statistician from the DOJ to the commission, writing that she was “pretty confident that he is conservative (& Christian, too).” Other documents showed what American Oversight, the accountability-focused nonprofit working on the lawsuit with Dunlap, said was an attempt to shut out him & other Democrat members. Another email showed one of Pence’s aides sharing with Kobach what he said was data about same-day voter registration in NH, which Kobach later used in a Breitbart column arguing that the alleged fraud had swung the state’s 2016 senate race.

Dunlap said there were many strange moments when he served on the panel, such as the time John R. Lott Jr., a controversial economist described as a “favorite” of the NRA, testified about introducing a background check for voters modeled off the federal instant check process for acquiring a gun.

“It was surreal,” Dunlap said. “I was like, why is this guy even here?”

He said he didn’t understand why people like Kobach continue to talk up the prevalence of voter fraud.

“Where are the indictments, where are the prosecutions?” Dunlap said. “But that’s sort of de rigueur here. You throw out a bunch of numbers about supposed voter fraud, & it becomes the Halloween ghost story that keeps getting repeated. But nobody can really point to it.”…

Trump’s claim that as many as 3-5 million fraudulent votes were cast in the 2016 election remains one of his most notable falsehoods.

No credible evidence has ever been produced, by the WH… to substantiate the claim. The commission, formally known as the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, was formed in May 2017, & it quickly faced controversy from a wide array of groups, including many state officials from both political parties who objected to its requests for detailed data on voter rolls. By the time it was disbanded…, it had drawn at least eight lawsuits, including Dunlap’s.

That lawsuit is not yet resolved. Dunlap says he believes that the committee may yet have more info to procure, while the government has said it wants to terminate the litigation, said Clark Pettig, a spokesman for American Oversight.


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Did the states hand over the detailed data regarding their voter rolls?


#4

It’s good to remember that Trump, Kobach, and their ilk are just in it for the grift. It helps to understand why they lie about so many things.


#5

There were a variety of responses. The link above has details of each state’s response,


#6

Would it not be reasonable to conclude that in order to find voter fraud a first step for the panel would be to have access to the voter rolls and cross reference these to such things as social security numbers?


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The biggest first step would be for that kind of voter fraud to actually exist, which it doesn’t, to any significant or even measurable degree.

Hillary Clinton got more votes than Donald Trump because more people, qualified voters, voted for her.

It doesn’t matter, that’s not how we elect our president, but those are the facts, no matter how much Trump would like it to be otherwise, and no matter how many commissions he appoints to prove otherwise.


#8

If a number of states won’t allow investigation, nobody can know that. Refusal suggests guilty knowledge, because it wouldn’t have cost them anything to cooperate.


#9

Interesting, :face_with_raised_eyebrow::face_with_monocle::thinking:


#10

Why doesn’t the Republican led Congress tie money given to states to turning over this data? They us that kind of coercion for other far less important matters.


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Because, you know, we can overlook that whole “secret ballot”. Not like it is a right or anything. https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/29/452.97

Think about it for a moment, do you want the government to have a handy cross reference to your SSN so they know how you have voted in every election?


#12

I suspect even imagining anything is secret from the government is folly of the first order.

However, they can’t tell HOW you voted just because they know your SSN. They can, however, know whether you picked up a Dem or Repub or other ballot in primaries.


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If I were hired as project manager to put together a national “who voted for whom” database, my first step is to tie voter reg with SSN.


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It’s a pretty long jump in a lot of places as to “which ballot is yours”. Here, voters are identified manually and have to present photo ID. If they don’t have one, they have to sign a sworn affidavit that they don’t and identifying themselves. Votes are counted electronically, but don’t go anywhere electronically. They just sit in the voting machine until the totals are read and transmitted by telephone and in writing to the County clerk. The “guts” of the voting machines are then sent to the County clerk in case any recounts get done.


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Again, if I were in charge of the project, each ballot would then have a unique identifier. That is step two of the plan.


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Step three being an end to the anonymous ballot? What’s the purpose of any of that?

Academics have been saying for years that voter fraud simply isn’t a statistically meaningful problem, but it’s a dog whistle issue, like gas taxes, so inevitably people will keep insisting it’s this major problem.


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Being a bit tongue in cheek here, but to know how you vote, a person could pretty well know by looking at one’s posts on CAF if, indeed, the government can “hack” CAF which I’m sure it can.


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It doesn’t work like that LittleLady. Know one knows who you vote for unless you tells them. What would be cross referenced would be who is voting not who they voted for.

It is a slam dunk obvious thing that this should be done. The credibility of democracy is necessary.


#19

Today there is not such a database. I am sure that many powerful people would like to develop one.


#20

Hillary Clinton got more votes than Donald Trump because of California
and because she actually had “a ground game” and
Rodham-Clinton outspent now President Trump 2 to 1.


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