The Mystery of the Great Pyramid


#1

Hello,

How/what do Catholic theologians say about the mysteries of the Great Pyramid?

The internet seem to be full of protestant and other religions’ speculations. Do catholic through historyt say something about it. Apparently something related to it is mentioned in Isaih.
Who built it? and Why?
Some seem to suggest that it Adam who built it to commemorate God’s goodness when God told him about his plan of salvation. Others think it was Enoch who built it for some reasons and took the ‘cap stone’ with him when he left.

This actually rose an other question. What does it mean that Enoch was taken to heaven on chars of fire?
Considering that people who built the Pyramid had such a high scientific nowledge and capacity surpassing far the one we have today; and also that they had a great astronomical knowledge, it is clear that they had also a capacity to build a spaceship/craft.
How if Enoch simply took off for Space in some spacecraft?

According to discoveries, the Pyramid was shining like light for about 30 centuries after it was built. Who could have built it. Here are some data:

Some Fascinating Details
The Great Pyramid was built on a 13-acre base made level to within less than 1". 900 million cubic feet of granite blocks were used in its construction. To this day engineers can’t explain how the workers managed to fit those huge blocks together so carefully in building a monument nearly 500 feet high. Some of the larger ones weighed nearly 80 tons.

It originally had a face of polished white limestone consisting of 115,000 stones finished on all six sides to within .01 inch of perfectly straight. Cut on a bevel, they fit together with seams of less than 1/50th of an inch. They were then cemented together and polished to a high sheen. It’s said that the pyramid shone as if made of light itself and could be seen from over a hundred miles away.

The entire structure rests on 4 foundation stones that fit into sockets cut into the bedrock. These stones are designed to compensate for changes in temperature. They keep the pyramid square and level at all times, and in fact it’s square on every course.

It faces due North more accurately than we can position buildings today so that each side faces the four cardinal points of the compass. Its shadow predicted equinoxes and solstices.

Originally it was to have a solid gold capstone that was a scale model of the pyramid itself. It was never placed because the builders rejected it. Only on a pyramid can a capstone also be the head of the corner. (Psalm 118:22 and Matt.21:42)

A single entrance on the North side opens into a passageway that slopes down 150 feet to the base where it descends another 200 feet into the bedrock on a line that’s straight to within 1/4 of an inch over its 350 ft. length. The passageway, chambers and air vents were precut into the stones before they were placed and appeared in their finished form as the stones were fitted together.

On one day in history the angle of this passageway looking up from the bottom pointed directly at the north star while if you could have drawn a line straight up from the pyramid into the sky on that day you’d intersect the exact center of our galaxy. That day was the vernal equinox in 2141 BC. Such an alignment happens only once every 26,000 years. As we’ll see below, the builders apparently knew this in advance and planned their construction accordingly.

The Great Pyramid was also built exactly in the center of Earth’s land mass. Equal amounts of land are contained in each of the quadrants drawn off its 4 corners. Its height of 454 feet is the same as the average height above sea level of all land on earth.

The sides are concave at the bottom. Their curvature conforms to the curvature of the earth’s surface, so if you could draw a circle extended from any two adjacent corners it would equal the circumference of Earth at the Equator.

The Sacred cubit was the unit of measure used in building the Great Pyramid. Unlike the standard and royal cubits referenced in the Bible, its length is 25 pyramid inches, which are about the same as the inch used today in the US. These units of measure were carved into the wall, and can serve to decode the pyramid’s dimensions. For instance, multiplying the sacred cubit times 10 million equals the polar radius of earth. Multiplying the total weight of the Pyramid by 1000 trillion equals the weight of planet Earth.

In Hebrew each letter has a numerical value. The Pyramid’s height in inches equals the sum of all the letters in the Hebrew rendering of Isaiah 19:19-20 (5449). Air shafts keep the temperature inside at exactly 68 degrees, the same as the mean temperature of Earth. If you could walk up the side of the pyramid you’d rise 9 feet in vertical elevation for every 10 feet you cover.

It’s the only pyramid that conforms to the Golden Rule of Architecture and the “Pie” angle of about 51 degrees 51 minutes. These mathematical principles were “discovered” by the Greeks thousands of years later.

It contains one piece of furniture, a box the same size as the Ark of the Covenant. It’s located in the King’s Chamber, a room with the same cubic volume as the bronze laver in Solomon’s Temple. It’s just barely too big to fit through the passageway, so it had to have been placed there as pyramid was built, over 1000 years before God gave Moses the Ark’s dimensions. _gracetruthfaith.com

What does this quote mean? Any church father about it?

Isaiah 19:19-20: “In that day shall there be an altar to Yahweh (the LORD) in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to Yahweh (the LORD). And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto Yahweh (the LORD) of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto Yahweh (the LORD) because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a savior, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.”


#2

nablaise,

I think the catholic position on “the mystery of the great pyramid” is that there is no catholic position on “the mystery of the great pyramid”.

There is a distinct tendency on the part of “mystery of” folks to say, “something in antiquity was very well done. Therefore, it must be the work of [aliens, Atlantians, miracle, etc, etc, fill in the blank]”.

IMO, this is a result of the fallacy that says, “we know how to do some things now that they didn’t know how to do back then; therefor, we are much smarter than them”.

This is clearly not true. The engineers and building managers who built the pyramid for Cheops were every bit as smart as those who built the Hoover Dam, or the Empire State Building, or the International Space Station. They just didn’t have our technology. But they had their own technology! Some of that we know about, some is the topic of ongoing (and fascinating, at least to me) research. And that technology was completely good enough to build the pyramids to a very high level of accuracy. Although I am absolutely not signing up for most of the stuff in your post - I would have to see much, much more proof that:

On one day in history the angle of this passageway looking up from the bottom pointed directly at the north star while if you could have drawn a line straight up from the pyramid into the sky on that day you’d intersect the exact center of our galaxy.

Until about 10 years ago, we didn’t know with any great precision where the exact center of the galaxy was. And which center? the gravitational center? the center of the black hole Sgr A*? The general direction of Sagittarius?

Lastly, there is coincidence. Coincidence that the pyramids are on a N-S/E-W line? Nope, engineering. Coincidence that some of the shafts in the pyramid pointed to the position of some bright stars at the time of the pyramid’s construction? Nope. Engineering and Ancient Egyptian religion.

Coincidence that roughly the same amount of the earth is north and south, east and west of the pyramid? absolutely. It was built on the plains of Giza, probably due to the fact it looked really cool next to the other two pyramids and the Sphinx. Coincidence of geography. Good planning for the tourism trade. Ancient Egyptian religious reasons. To complete the picture of Orion’s belt on Earth (the pyramids of Giza are laid out geometrically to model Orion’s belt, when seen from above). Take your pick.

That the pyramid is the “exact center of the geography of the earth?” Complete bunk. The earth’s mass shifts and re-aligns daily, with earthquakes, volcanoes, erosion all changing the theoretical center every day.

The pyramids of Giza are a great wonder of the ancient world, and we ought to support research into just how they were built, because it is fascinating. But not a mystery, in the religious sense at all.


#3

Is this pyramid mentioned in Scripture?


#4

I would say the “Facts” listed are almost all either wrong, or trivial.

Have you seen the rough stones that are on the pyramids? There were nice stones on the outside but many have been removed. So when one measures the pyramid one measures where the outside would have been. So one can assume it is precise as you would want.

I saw a history channel thing about the pyramid and they were showing how the side pointed north. You could see they were estimating where the corner would have been. They could have been off by an inch or two. If you are going to find the center of the galaxy, an inch or two amounts the an entire constellation in the night sky.

All shadows predict the soltise, just wait till it is the longest or shortest it will ever be.

“It originally had a face of polished white limestone consisting of 115,000 stones finished on all six sides to within .01 inch of perfectly straight.” How would you know the accuracy of 115,000 stones that are not ther?

“Cut on a bevel, they fit together with seams of less than 1/50th of an inch.” How can I argue concerning missing stones?

“They were then cemented together and polished to a high sheen.” Were they?

Every statement is open to disagreement since the pyramid is (for the most part) not there anymore.

Oh, and you can easily cut nice halls and rooms after it is built. Much easier and you get a nicer finish.


#5

Thank you guys for replying.

Are you really serious about coencidences yout talked about? I think if they can put those rocks together with such a precision, if they knew all the physical constants to keep the pyramid standing for all these years, they could also very well know all those other things which may seem a coencidence.

I don’t think it is necessary wrong to assume that the people who built it could be humans and that they could also have known more science than we do.
Considering the effect of sin, may be our average IQ have reduces or something. After all we know already that while before the flood people lived hundreds of years, after the flood it is said that the years were reduced to 120 by God.

I think God’s punishment could also mean that people called this punishment upon themself. It could mean that they might have played with their science like people would play today with a nuclear bomb, and provoked a cosmic tragedy which had not only the effect of reducing human life span but also the great flood.

But Noah getting the hint from God, built a submerging ship and survived. This could mean that Noah being humble and walking in truth, was less pride and was able to see that whatever they were doing was going to provoque a catastroph. It is said the the Bible that people were loughing at him as he was building it.

The reason I consider this scenario a possibility is if we read from Genesis. From Cain’s time, and in his line. People are doing things to make their name great. Cain built a city and named it after his son’s name. Evil is increasing. Who knows what they were may have been trying to achieve. They could have had this scientific atheism just like today scientists who are heading for things like cloning humans and all other kinds of stuff.

Well, all of this may not be directly linked to the pyramid, but it could be just a sign of how intelligent they were.

Of course I am basing all these assumption to the idea that the Pyramid survived the flood.

Plus there is this unexplain desapearance of Enoch on chars of fire. People wonder if he went to heaven, but again we remember our Lord saying that no one went to heaven. So were did Enoch go exactly?

How if one day, while crusing in Space we land on one human planet with people who look like us: Childreen of Enoch :smiley:

God bless


#6

**The Pharaoh Khufu (c.2650), who is more generally known as Cheops (a Greek version of his name). He had it built as his tomb - the body is no longer there, because it was raided by the time it was was re-discovered. **

Some seem to suggest that it Adam who built it to commemorate God’s goodness when God told him about his plan of salvation. Others think it was Enoch who built it for some reasons and took the ‘cap stone’ with him when he left.

**People who say that, are - to put it no more strongly - very much mistaken. **

This actually rose an other question. What does it mean that Enoch was taken to heaven on chars of fire?

All the Bible says about Enoch is that he was “taken” - 1 Enoch, which was written in the first century BC, says (IIRC) that he was taken by a wind. Are you thinking of Elijah in 2 Kings 2 ?

Considering that people who built the Pyramid had such a high scientific nowledge and capacity surpassing far the one we have today; and also that they had a great astronomical knowledge, it is clear that they had also a capacity to build a spaceship/craft.
How if Enoch simply took off for Space in some spacecraft?

This is fiction. Egyptian technology was nowhere near as advanced as that.

According to discoveries, the Pyramid was shining like light for about 30 centuries after it was built. Who could have built it. Here are some data:

What does this quote mean? Any church father about it?

About this:

[LIST]
]In Hebrew each letter has a numerical value. The Pyramid’s height in inches equals the sum of all the letters in the Hebrew rendering of Isaiah 19:19-20 (5449). Air shafts keep the temperature inside at exactly 68 degrees, the same as the mean temperature of Earth. If you could walk up the side of the pyramid you’d rise 9 feet in vertical elevation for every 10 feet you cover.[/LIST]With a little effort, anything can be related to anything else - however unconnected they may in fact be. That something can be interpreted as being connected to some other thing, may be proof of ingenuity: but it is not proof at all of a real connection."[T]he Pyramid’s height in inches equals the sum of all the letters in the Hebrew rendering of Isaiah 19:19-20 (5449)". A***nd…? Some questions need to be asked:
[LIST]
*]**why pick inches ? **
*]**why not centimetres ? **
*]did the Egyptians use inches ? (No, they did not; any more than the Israelites & Jews did.)
*]did speakers of Hebrew ?
*]**what happens if the measurement is in cubits, spans, or other measures used by Jews in the OT: is the number the same ? **
*]what is so important about that number or that verse ?
*]**why relate the number of inches to the numerical value of the letters ? **
*]why not relate the number of inches to the number of OT verses instead ?
*]why add the numerical value of the letters, while ignoring the 10 & 9 & 68 ?
*]**would 5449 be the number of inches if the pyramidion (the so-called “capstone” were still in place ? **[/LIST]**There is no mystery here - there seems to be, only because people are set on finding one. Take these words: **
[LIST]
*]If you could walk up the side of the pyramid you’d rise 9 feet in vertical elevation for every 10 feet you cover[/LIST]**If one were so inclined, one might argue as follows: **
[LIST]
*]**nine feet is three feet by three; & three is the number of Divine Persons in God - therefore, the Great Pyramid “proves” that the Egyptians believed in the Blessed Trinity. **
*]**They must also have believed in the Atonement - for “to cover” is meaning of the Hebrew word at the root of the idea of atonement. **[/LIST]The whole idea is completely arbitrary, illogical, & grossly ignorant of facts which ten minutes with an encyclopaedia would correct. :frowning: Or:
[LIST]
]Air shafts keep the temperature inside at exactly 68 degrees, the same as the mean temperature of Earth.[/LIST]The number of degrees, depends on the scale used - which affects the temperature measured:
[LIST]
]68 Celsius
]68 Centigrade
]68 Kelvin[/LIST]are all very different temperatures. And what is so significant about "the mean temperature of Earth
" ? “68 degrees” would be anything but “exact” as the “mean temperature” of
human blood, & of a lot of things. Why choose the Earth, & not some other thing ?

**BTW - why ignore the pyramids that are close by ? Are they also “mysterious” ? **

**How do these people know that what they are seeing as significant is not an illusion ? (Which is exactly what it is.) For all they know, the Pyramid may have been intended as a model of Mount Everest, or as a prophecy in stone of St. Peter’s. **

**Inventing meanings out of thin air leads to other meanings which are no less ridiculous & unfounded - by disregarding Egyptology, people who invent meanings for what Egyptology studies leave themselves unable to disprove other people’s fantasies. If the Great Pyramid can be related to the Ark for silly & insufficient reasons, then it can be related to Catholicism for equally bad reasons. All that is needed, once reality is ignored, is ingenuity. **

**BTW: never trust a web-site that cannot spell a simple word like pi. **

**Hope that helps :slight_smile: **


#7

As far as i know, there were about 70 or so Egyptian pyramids and they were all built on the west bank of the Nile, which is associated with the kingdom of the dead, according to the Eqyptian religion, since the sun sets in the west. The pyramids are some sort of burial monuments or tombs for the Egyptian leaders and as such may have had some religious or symbolic signigicance in Egyptian mythology. For example, it has been suggested that at night the pyramid may point to a dark far off area of the sky, in an effort to transport the soul of the departed prince to his heavenly abode. And there are a lot of other stories or fairy tales about the pyramids like that, for example, the shiny, reflective pyramid walls might symbolise some kind of hope that solar energy may be used to aid in the resurrection of the soul of the departed.


#8

the Church could not care less about the pyramid, it is not part of divine revelation, and the Church fathers have as much to say about it as the colossus of rhodes or any other wonders of the ancient world.

there is a huge leap from high scientific knowledge – of which there is absolutely no evidence of the engineering aptitude of the Egyptians being higher than that possessed today – and knowledge of astronomy, which was shared by many ancient peoples including Mayans, to manned spaceflight. Any hieroglyphics point to nuclear fission or jet propulsion or rocketry? I doubt it.

if you want nut theories, go the classic Erik von Daniken (sp?) chariot of the gods, a real hoot, with about as much fact to the page as real gold in a tub of sea water.

I am still waiting to find out what a char of fire might be, I always took it to mean a burnt log.


#9

Hi friends,

Thanks for your replies. I also realise that they are lots of absurd speculation about it as I mentioned in the OP. I am also trying to gather what is real about it.

For example. Does anyone know exactly how old it is? mean some trustuble scientific measurements?

Thanks


#10

The mean temp of the earth is in the mid 50’s, not 68.


#11

I agree with this 1000%
Deacon Ed B


#12

But there is a biblical connection that extends the knowledge of the word of god,In the Great pyramid ,and That people do not seem to see ,If it is catholic is another question?probably not.walt2000


#13

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