This doesn’t fit with the thread title, but it is about that same interview and I think it’s interesting:
I don’t consider what he’s saying “garbage” per se. Whether or not he’s “found peace” is not something I can comment on. If he has, then I’m happy for him. The problem I’m having with this is that he hasn’t shown how he has found peace simply by denying his every desire (that’s called Buddhism by the way). If he truly has denied himself his every desire, then he better stop “desiring” the peace he’s found (as any good self-immolating Buddhist does).
Now, there’s something to be said about “the truth shall set you free.” Knowing the truth about one’s sexual reality does free someone with SSA from the bondage of the secular mindset regarding sexuality (which, I must add, is NOT as licentious and libertine as most Catholics seem to believe), but it is nonetheless a form of bondage. That I have personal experience with, so he’s right about that.
The problem I have with the materials I’ve read on Chastity is not what the truth frees you FROM, which they continuously want to stress, but what pursuing chastity frees you FOR (that little part they always neglect to mention). So much emphasis is placed on freeing you from the shackles of addiction, for example, so you can then sit around doing nothing with yourself. Is that the good news? It doesn’t come off as “good news.” For why should I bother freeing myself from something if I’m not going to be living an objectively better life after being freed? Indeed: “Moses, did we not have enough graves in Egypt??”
For example, I can very easily sit around “not masturbating” or “not engaging in gay sex”… as if that’s the be-all, end-all of life. But is sitting around really to be living an objectively better life? No. And nobody’s going to be convinced to give up the porn if they’re looking at a life of lonliness and isolation and pleasure-less despair afterwards. Sexuality is something that covers way more than just the pleasure of intercourse. By telling people they’re supposed to find self-fulfillment by “denying themselves their desires,” youre basically stripping away from them something very vital to their humanity: their VIRILITY, their VITALITY, their MASCULINITY/FEMINITY, their FATHERHOOD/MOTHERHOOD (physical and spiritual). Basically, every aspect of what fires a person up, gives them strength to persevere, drives their ambitions, their “desire” to live a good, happy, godly, exciting, novel, and productive life.
By telling people to “Deny! Deny! Deny!” all the time, and linking the cross of SSA to “denial of this, denial of that, deny self, deny others, deny, reject, refrain, stop, don’t don’t dont…” ALL the time, how does anyone in the Church expect a person to avoid Slothe and despair?
How? Can anyone answer that for me? It’s enough to know what I’m giving up. Can I please get some information about how this is supposed to be good news?
We are living in a world where if you say to a woman that she looks pretty you can be charged with sexual harassment. That’s the SECULAR world we’re talking about. How much more puritanical do you want it? Should we just say, as I often have: “Curse beauty! Curse the faculty in me that percieves beauty! Damn beauty to hell!” Curse all that I percieve as beautiful!"?
How much should I go?
“How many desires should one deny oneself? Most gay catholics I know don’t have a problem with denying themselves pittance that is sexual intercourse. Wh
at they struggle with is being forced to deny themselves someone to come home to, to share their day with, to share their life with, to share their time, talent, and treasure with. Should that desire be denied too?”
This is a tool of Satan, either to make people so despaired and seperated from their VITALITY as to desire only death… or to keep people locked in the pleasure cage for lack of something better in life… and it’s time people who spread this “continence = chastity” NONSENCE to reckon with the fact of just what kind of spirit they are listening to. His name is Satan.
So here we go. If beauty is so bad, let’s just say it.: Cursed be physical beauty! Cursed be physical attraction! Let me live in ugliness. AMEN.
Happy now? Am I chaste yet?