the nature of sin

God is the all knowing creator of the universe.

All knowing means that he knows everything.

Knowing everything would entail knowing the path of every single atom from the begging to the end of time.

Creating the universe means that he created and set into motion every single atom in the universe.

All knowing creator of the universe means that god created and sent every single atom into motion knowing before hand the path that each one would take from the begging to the end of time.

Therefore god is responsible for every action in the universe.

If god is the all knowing creator of the universe he knew the path that every single person would walk before he created the universe.

If god is responsible for every action in the universe then he is responsible for the actions of every single human being past present and future.

If god created the universe the path of every single atom was predetermined because he knew what paths they would take before ever creating the universe.

If the path of every single atom is predetermined then destiny is absolute.

If god created the universe every single thing I do was predetermined.

If my destiny is absolute and intentional, I have no choice over my path.

If I have no choice over my path then I am incapable of sin.

If I can not sin then I can’t go to hell.

If I can not sin then Jesus is not my savior.

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Whoa do you have alot of false statements in here. I suggest you read Thomas Aquinas’ Summa if you are that interested in proper philosophy and logic.

The biggest mistakes –

God knowing what choices you will make does NOT mean he is responsible for your actions.

God knowing what choices you will make does not mean your destiny is predetermined - it just means God knows.

You are capable of sin, you are born with it. You will not go to heaven with Original sin on your soul.

I would also suggest you read the Bible. Even if this reasoning convinces us, it won’t convince God :wink:

Just because you know something is going to happen doesn’t mean you are responsible for it. Say, for example, you are in an office at the top of a tall building. You look out the window and notice that there is a car approaching an intersection way too fast. There is no way for the car to stop, and when you look, there is another car going through the intersection. You know there will be an accident, but you can’t stop it. You have knowledge, but no control.

[quote=RuffinIt]Just because you know something is going to happen doesn’t mean you are responsible for it. Say, for example, you are in an office at the top of a tall building. You look out the window and notice that there is a car approaching an intersection way too fast. There is no way for the car to stop, and when you look, there is another car going through the intersection. You know there will be an accident, but you can’t stop it. You have knowledge, but no control.
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Hmmm this sounds familiar. :slight_smile: It’s a great example though isn’t it! I sometimes think of it myself in moments of quiet.

Our Father created things (or gave man the intellect to create more advanced things). Evil is the only true creation of man…and introduced it into the world…as our Father did not create it.

Things are not evil…but they are often freely used for evil purposes by man, such as guns, the Internet, etc.

[quote=ktm]Hmmm this sounds familiar. :slight_smile: It’s a great example though isn’t it! I sometimes think of it myself in moments of quiet.
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Yes, a college professor explained it to us that way, and I know he got it somewhere, but I don’t know where (He told us; I just don’t remember).

I by no means came up with that on my own!! I am sorry if it came across as if I was implying I had.

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